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From: D B McCullagh <declanm@netcom.com>
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[The second half of this message is a timeline describing who at CMU knew
what when about Marty's study. -Declan]

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Topic 1067 [media]:  Martin Rimm and the Cyberporn Scare
#867 of 895: Declan McCullagh (declan)      Mon Sep 25 '95 (07:49)    32 lines

 Marty came to CMU in the fall of 1993 (note creation date of his account):
 
 user.mr6e                        1970771732 RW       1769 K  On-line
     VICE9.FS.ANDREW.CMU.EDU /vicepa
     RWrite 1970771732 ROnly          0 Backup 1970771734
     MaxQuota      12000 K
     Creation    Sat Aug  7 13:14:00 1993
     Last Update Sun Sep 24 14:49:45 1995
 
 He submitted his adult BBS research idea for funding circa March 15, 1994.
 He asked Computing Services to create his adultbbs[1-6] project volumes
 that summer (June 29) after his grant was approved by the provost's office: 
 
 ece.adultbbs2                    1970807753 RW      21767 K  On-line
     VICE14.FS.ANDREW.CMU.EDU /vicepa
     RWrite 1970807753 ROnly          0 Backup 1970807755
     MaxQuota      50000 K
     Creation    Wed Jun 29 17:51:53 1994
     Last Update Tue Aug  8 17:33:22 1995
     2 accesses in the past day (i.e., vnode references)
 
 Another division of CMU found out about Marty's research when an unusual
 request for 300 MB of project volume space was bounced up to the vice
 president for Computing Services, Bill Arms.
 
 High-level CMU administrators knew about the details of Marty's research
 all along, and were the first people to defend him publicly. Marty used
 them for cover too. (Unlike Seth, they probably knew it but were willing
 to whore themselves for a bit of press coverage.)
 
 <ped>, would Marty's study have caught your eye if it hadn't sparked CMU's
 Usenet censorship, the rally, and so on? 


[ped replies, saying he's not sure, but that's when it caught his eye -dbm]


Topic 1067 [media]:  Martin Rimm and the Cyberporn Scare
#872 of 895: Mike Godwin (mnemonic)      Mon Sep 25 '95 (15:09)    18 lines

 
 Declan writes:
 
 "High-level CMU administrators knew about the details of Marty's research
  all along, and were the first people to defend him publicly."
 
 I'm not sure about Declan's use of "the details" or about his use of
 "all along."
 
 It is certainly the case that the CMU administration knew about Marty's
 study as of September 1994. What precisely they knew is another question.
 
 Moreover, Marty is talking about the study as such when he's corresponding
 with Seth Finkelstein in April of 1994 -- it's unclear that members of
 the CMU administration knew about the study then (except to the extent
 that Marty's nominal faculty advisers and the administrators of the SURG
 grants knew about it).
 

Topic 1067 [media]:  Martin Rimm and the Cyberporn Scare
#882 of 895: Declan McCullagh (declan)      Mon Sep 25 '95 (22:17)    64 lines

 In #872, Mike wonders who knew at CMU knew details when. When I say that
 the CMU admin knew about his study "all along," I mean for the last year. 
 
 Let's look at a timeline. My best information says that Marty approached
 the vice-provost's office for SURG funding in early 1994. At this time,
 the study concentrated on adult BBSs. Lazarus [associate provost] saw this
 as a flagship project that would increase the visibility of the SURG
 program and brought her husband, Sirbu [ini chair], in as Marty's advisor.
 
 [who knew as of spring 94: associate provost, information networking
 institute head]
 
 Sirbu's specialities, as listed in CMU's Research Directory, are:
 
   "Telecommunications technology, policy, and management, regulation and
    industrial structure; communications networks and standards."
 
 His advisor's fields of interest may have led Marty to focus more on the
 Internet and Usenet. Or perhaps the Net was becoming hot enough an issue
 that Marty decided to broaden his scope. (He demonstrated remarkable
 prescience in Dec 94 in claiming the debate truly was about child
 pornography.)
 
 Arms (vp comp serv) has a history of trying to yank dirty pix off CMU's
 news servers. He tried before CMU's human relations commission early last
 year, apparently with the degrading-to-women line. In June 1994, as I
 mentioned in #867, he heard about Marty's study -- a censor's ideal tool,
 unbiased academic research! (I don't know if he had anything to do with 
 Marty's mail to the president or not.)
 
 [summer 94: associate provost, chair of ini, vp computing services]
 
 In September, Marty emailed the president of CMU his "does CMU have any
 policies dealing with criminally illegal pix" email. At the president's
 direction, Steinberg [vice provost] met with Marty and his advisors in a
 hastily-arranged meeting the same day. I believe the university attorney
 was consulted at this point.
 
 [early sep 94: associate provost, chair of ini, vp computing services,
 president, vice provost, provost, univ atty]
 
 By late September, just about everyone in the administration knew. Sirbu's
 mail gives us Hale (vp univ rel) and Murphy (dean of students). In a
 series of meetings, Marty and Sirbu brief the administration on their
 findings. Marty also gives them his 1,000-word abstract, complete with
 mention of all the *philias, "6,432,297 images," and "the wide circulation
 of paraphilic imagery" online. 
 
 [late sep 94: associate provost, chair of ini, vp computing services,
 president, vice provost, provost, vp univ rel, dean of students, univ atty]
 
 In October, the Academic Council met to discuss what to do with the idea
 that CMU supposedly was "knowing" about the contents of Usenet dirty-pix
 newsgroups, thanks to Marty's mail. Scared by Arms' claims of criminal
 liability and "I don't want to be locked up" assertions, they give him the
 go-ahead to yank the newsgroups.
 
 [oct 94: associate provost, chair of ini, vp computing services,
 president, vice provost, provost, dean of students, univ atty, academic
 deans, sei and cmri directors, vice presidents, univ librarian, faculty
 senate chair]
 
 On November 3, CMU announces its Usenet dirty-pix and dirty-stories ban, and
 everyone learns about Marty Rimm, cyberporn researcher.

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