From declan@well.comMon Jul 22 11:08:42 1996 Received: from vorlon.mit.edu (brnstndkramden.acf.nyu.edu@VORLON.MIT.EDU [18.238.0.139]) by eff.org (8.7.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA00434; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 06:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by vorlon.mit.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA01083 for fight-censorship-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:56:21 -0400 Received: from andrew.cmu.edu (ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.101]) by vorlon.mit.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01073 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:56:16 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by andrew.cmu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA05299 for fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:54:56 -0400 Received: via switchmail for fight-censorship+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mh1.well.com (mh1.well.com [206.15.64.22]) by po4.andrew.cmu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03456 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:54:04 -0400 Received: from well (declan@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id GAA27325 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 06:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 06:54:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh Subject: Australian atty-general investigating Adelaide Inst.'s web site? To: fight-censorship+@andrew.cmu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu Precedence: bulk X-URL: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/ X-JusticeOnCampusURL: http://joc.mit.edu/ These messages were forwarded to me; I pass them along only as a potential early alert on a breaking story. I invite our Australian fight-censorship readers (or any folks in the U.S.) to respond with details, if possible. -Declan ---------------------------------- >Adelaide, 5 July 1996 > >Please be advised that the Brisbane-based daily newspaper, The Courier Mail, >has this day informed its readers that the Federal Attorney-General's >Department is following up a complaint - lodged via the Australian Embassy >in the U.S. by Rabbi Cooper of the U.S.-based Simon Wiesenthal Centre - that >material on Adelaide Institute's website may be contravening Australian laws. > >The Attorney-General's office has confirmed that it is investigating >Adelaide Institute. Needless to state that we have as yet not been formally >or even informally informed of any such investigations. > >Various state-based newspapers also carried the story. Our Adelaide >Advertiser rang us this afternoon and asked a few 'confirming questions'. >The story may appear in Saturday's edition of the paper. > >Adelaide Institute has likewise filed a complaint against the Simon >Wiesenthal Centre and also against the publication and distribution of the >Babylonian Talmud. > >As Adelaide Institute expected such a move from overseas - interestingly we >have not had any complaint filed from any local organisation - we are >seeking legal advice as to what the next step will be once the formal papers >arrive from the Attorney-General's Department. > > We expect to be hit with the power of the newly proclaimed federal Racial >Hatred Bill of 1995 which inserts new sections into the Racial >Discrimination Act 1975. Section 18D may protect our work. It states that >nothing which is said or done reasonably and in good faith in the course of >any statement, publication, discussion or debate made or held for an >academic, artistic, or scientific purpose, or any other purpose in the >public interest will be prohibited. > >It is obvious to us that we shall be testing the strength of this new section. > > > >Any advice will be greatfully received. > >Fredrick Toben David Brockschmidt [The following appears to have been distributed by the revisionist group CODOH (CODOHmail@aol.com). --Declan] >> >>***** PLEASE DISTRIBUTE ***** PLEASE DISTRIBUTE ******* >> >>!!!!!!!!!!!! FREE SPEECH UNDER FIRE !!!!!!!!!!!! >>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >!!!!!! >> !!!!!!!!!!!! THREAT TO CLOSE !!!!!!!!!!!! >> AL-MOHARER NEWS SITE >> >>The following article appeared in "The Sunday Mail" (Brisbane, >Australia) >> on >>June 9, 1996: >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >>------- >>(Begin Article) Aussie Internet hate site claimed >> >>Iraqi sympathisers are using an Australian-based Internet site to >promote >>anti-Jewish propaganda. >> The site, called Al-Moharer Al-Australi, has been brought >to the >>attention of the Australian Government by the Simon Wiesenthal >Centre in >> Los >>Angeles. >> Rabbi Abraham Cooper asked Washington Ambassador John >McCarthy for >>Australia to establish whether the web site was legal. >> He said the centre had been monitoring the proliferation of >hate >>groups on the Internet and had identified more than 100 sites in >the United >>States which promoted racist violence and terrorism. >> The Al-Moharer site contains several articles including >one >> entitled >>"The Jews Are Not a Race." >> Included in the information passed by the Simon Wiesenthal >Centre >>was a request over the Internet from a Melbourne man wanting >information on >>how to make a fertiliser bomb. >> A similar type of explosive was used in the attack on the >Oklahoma >>Federal Building in April last year. --- David Hellaby (End >Article) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >>------- >> >>* According to "Rabbi" Cooper of the Los Angelese Simon Wiesenthal Centre, >>this Internet site is spreading "anti-Jewish propaganda," apparently >> because >>we posted an article by distinguished Jewish author Dr. Alfred Lilienthal >>titled "The Jews are Not a Race." It seems "Rabbi" Cooper is upset by the >>truth as even the most fanatical Zionist doesn't believe there is a "Jewish >>race." They do say Hitler and the Nazis believed in a "Jewish race." So >> does >>this mean "Rabbi" Cooper and Hitler are of the same opinion? >> >>* The story above does not inform its readers that the article in question >>is written by Dr. Lilienthal. >> >>* It looks to us that the Simon Wiesenthal Centre is acting just like the >>Nazis. Have the victims become the oppressors? After looking at Al-Moharer, >>please let the Editor know your opinion. >> >>* Over the eight weeks this web site has been operating hundreds of >> Internet >>users have visited this web page and not one has complained. In fact the >>response is only positive! >> >>* As you can see for yourself, we are not a "hate site." >> >>* Al-Moharer Al-Australi is critical of the Israeli regime. Is this a >> crime? >>Is this hate? We also criticize Arab regimes and PLO Chairman Arafat!! >> >>* My question to "Rabbi" Cooper is why did he choose to go directly to the >>Australian Ambassador and the media? He didn't send us an email. If he >>doesn't know how to use the computer, he obviously has enough followers to >>do it for him. >> >>* All we can conclude is that "Rabbi" Cooper and his centre do not believe >>in free speech and do not like the truth. >> >>* Is it forbidden to "sympathise" with the suffering Iraqi people, who have >>endured nearly six years of an unjust U.N. embargo? >> >>* Is it a crime to proclaim the truth? >> >> IF YOU VALUE TRUTH, PLEASE MAKE YOUR >> POSITION KNOWN TO: >> >> H.E. Ambassador John McCarthy, >> Australian Embassy, >> 1601 Massachusetts Avenue, >> Washington, D.C. 20036, >> USA >> >> OR EMAIL THE EDITOR-IN-CHIEF: >> >> fouad@ozemail.com.au >> >>***** PLEASE DISTRIBUTE ***** PLEASE DISTRIBUTE ******* >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Al-Moharer Al-Australi >>A Journal of News and Information (Arabic/English) >>http://www.ozemail.com.au/~fouad >>Email: fouad@ozemail.com.au >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Al-Moharer Al-Australi >>Does not know everything >>But we publish everything we know >> >>Al-Moharer Al-Australi >>A Journal of News and Information (Arabic/English) >>http://www.ozemail.com.au/~fouad >>Email: fouad@ozemail.com.au >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- From declan@well.comMon Jul 22 11:09:41 1996 Received: from vorlon.mit.edu (brnstndkramden.acf.nyu.edu@VORLON.MIT.EDU [18.238.0.139]) by eff.org (8.7.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA05427; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 11:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by vorlon.mit.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA28360 for fight-censorship-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:37:56 -0400 Received: from po8.andrew.cmu.edu (PO8.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.108]) by vorlon.mit.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28356 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:37:54 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po8.andrew.cmu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA06993 for fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:37:51 -0400 Received: via switchmail for fight-censorship+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mh1.well.com (mh1.well.com [206.15.64.22]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05852 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:37:27 -0400 Received: from well (declan@well.com [206.15.64.10]) by mh1.well.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id LAA15051 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 11:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 11:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh Subject: Re: Australian atty-general investigating Adelaide Inst.'s web site? To: fight-censorship+@andrew.cmu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu Precedence: bulk X-URL: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/ X-JusticeOnCampusURL: http://joc.mit.edu/ The messages I forwarded earlier earlier about the Simon Wiesenthal Center were accurate: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/dl?num=3089 The Center is up to its same old Internet scare-mongering. Below, Rabbi Cooper not only decries holocaust revisionists on the Net, he also reminds the Australian public that students can download bomb-making materials! (Obviously the state must censor libraries, wherein the same information can be found.) According to Cooper, this speech that he personally dislikes is why the Australian government must crack down on free expression online. More info on the SWC's other previous net-censorship attempts, including links to ACLU and CDT reports, is at: http://www.gsia.cmu.edu/andrew/ml3e/www/Not_By_Me_Not_My_Views/censorship.html -Declan >The Advertiser, Saturday, July 6, 1996 >Internet target of Nazi hunters >By Anthony Keane > >A controversial Adelaide-based Internet site is being investigated by the >Federal Government. > >Holocaust-denial group the Adelaide Institute is one of two groups that have >been targeted by international Nazi hunters, the Simon Wiesenthal Centre. > >A spokesman for the Attorney-General, Mr Daryl Williams, said yesterday the >Government had received a letter from the Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Los >Angeles calling for an investigation into whether the Internet site breached >any local laws. > >"We are investigating the claims made by the Simon Wiesenthal Centre," he said. > >The letter says the centre has "identified over 100 different Web sites >which promote racist violence, mayhem and terrorism". > >"Two Australian Web sites have come to the attention of researchers at the >Wiesenthal Centre," it says. > >The Advertiser yesterday logged into the Adelaide Institute site. Excerpts >included: > >"We reject outright that a questioning of the alleged homicidal gas chamber >story constitutes 'hate talk', is 'anti-Semitic', 'racist' or even >'neo-Nazi' activity. > >"We are a group of individuals who are looking at the Jewish-Nazi Holocaust, >in particular we are investigating the allegation that Germans >systematically killed six million Jews...." > >"We at the Adelaide Institute believe that those who level the homicidal >gassing allegations at the Germans owe it to the world to come up with >irrefutable evidence that this happened." > >The other Internet site under investigation, called Al-Moharer Al-Australi, >is based in Melbourne. > >Adelaide Institute director Dr Fredrick Toben said he would welcome the >Federal Government investigation. > >"But we would also like them to investigate the Simon Wiesenthal Centre and >the tradition it comes from, namely the Babylonian Talmud, which is the >moral and legal foundation of modern Judaism," he said. > >"The Babylonian Talmud is anti-gentile, anti-Christian, against everything >non-Jewish and it is full of hate. > >"The Adelaide Institute has put in a complaint to the Attorney-General's >Department that the Babylonian Talmud contains hate literature and is >racist, is full of bigotry, is offensive to everyone not Jewish, especially >to Christians and to every decent Jew who believes in the equality of >humankind, and it needs investigation," > >SA Jewish Community Council president, Mr Norman Schueler, said: "Anything >that tries to rewrite history is not on, so we therefore welcome an >investigation. > >"As far as we are concerned, the Adelaide Institute has promoted things that >are incorrect and are inconsistent with established fact." > > ========== > >The Courier-Mail (Brisbane) Friday, July 5, 1996 > >Jews trace cyberspace 'hatred' to Australia > >By Rodney Chester and Rory Callinan > >The Federal Government is investigating two controversial Australian-based >anti-semitic Internet sites after an alert from international Nazihunters, >the Simon Wiesenthal Centre. > >The centre, renowned for its dogged pursuit of hundreds of Nazi war >criminals, detected the controversial sites as it followed the trail of >far-right groups into cyberspace. > >After locating the sites earlier this year, the centre wrote to the >Australian Embassy in Washington calling on the Attorney-General to >investigate if the sites breached any local laws. > >The sites, one calling itself Adelaide Institute says: "We are a group of >individuals who are looking at the Jewish-Nazi holocaust. > >"We are worried about the fact that to date it has been impossible to >reconstruct a homicidal gas chamber." > >Al Moharer Al-Australi says it "wants to challenge all forms of New World >Order conditioning and thought control". > >Wiesenthal Centre associate dean Abraham Cooper, speaking from its Los >Angeles headquarters, said many "hate" groups around the world had taken to >the Net in the past 18 months to reach a potential audience of 40 million. > >Rabbi Cooper said there were about 100 Web sites around the world promoting >"hatred and mayhem". > >"It is an unprecedented but powerful tool that not only can be used for >good but also be used for evil," he said. > >"Our experience has been that the authorities don't even understand the >technology that well." > >Rabbi Cooper said there had been numerous cases in the United States where >"very bright" students had down-loaded bomb-making recipes off the net. > >One science teacher in Miami "was about one second away from blowing up both >himself and his school", he said. > >The centre, which uses the Web to promote its own cause, has set up a >cuberwatch programme "not because we are opposed to computers but because >we're committed to human rights." > >Adelaide Institute director Fredrick Toben said last night: "We would >welcome any investigation. >"But we would also like them to investigate Rabbi Cooper and the tradition >that he comes from, namely from the Babylonian Talmud which is the ethical >base that he operates on. >"It is used by certain members of the Jewish community as a guide and the >Babylonian Talmud is full of filth and hatred so let him (the Rabbi) cast >the first stone." > >A spokesman for federal Attorney-General Darrel Williams confirmed the >office had received the letter and claims were being investigated. > >Queensland Jewish Board of Deputies president Laurie Rosenblum said he >regularly received complaints from Queenslanders about material on the >Internet. > >He said there was urgent need to censor the Net. > >"The problem is that you have got this technology where some extremist >organisation can print out stuff and transpose it and then hand it out or >publish it in a newsletter," he said > >The Australian Broadcasting Authority is expected to release its guidelines >on control of the Internet today. > From jaed@best.comMon Jul 22 11:10:13 1996 Received: from vorlon.mit.edu (brnstndkramden.acf.nyu.edu@VORLON.MIT.EDU [18.238.0.139]) by eff.org (8.7.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA21060; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by vorlon.mit.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA22380 for fight-censorship-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:20:43 -0400 Received: from po9.andrew.cmu.edu (PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.109]) by vorlon.mit.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA22376 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:20:40 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA12968 for fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:20:35 -0400 Received: via switchmail for fight-censorship+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dns2.noc.best.net (dns2.noc.best.net [206.86.0.21]) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16313 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:17:56 -0400 Received: from [205.149.167.81] (jaed.vip.best.com [205.149.167.81]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA07922; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:17:49 -0700 X-Sender: jaed@mail.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:17:53 -0700 To: Declan McCullagh From: jaed@best.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto) Subject: Re: Australian atty-general investigating Adelaide Inst.'s web site? Cc: fight-censorship+@andrew.cmu.edu Sender: owner-fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu Precedence: bulk X-URL: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/ X-JusticeOnCampusURL: http://joc.mit.edu/ At 11:37 AM 7/6/96, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>The Courier-Mail (Brisbane) Friday, July 5, 1996 >>[...] Queensland Jewish Board of Deputies president Laurie Rosenblum >>[...] said there was urgent need to censor the Net. >> >>"The problem is that you have got this technology where some extremist >>organisation can print out stuff and transpose it and then hand it out or >>publish it in a newsletter," he said. The board president seems a little confused here. Is he talking about the urgent need to curb the Internet, or the urgent need to curb that demonic new invention the printing press? -- The Internet interprets the US Congress as system damage and routes around it. - with apologies to John Gilmore