X-Andrew-WideReply: netnews.alt.culture.internet,netnews.alt.politics.datahighway,netnews.alt.culture.usenet,netnews.alt.religion.kibology,netnews.alt.current-events.rimm-study,netnews.alt.internet.media-coverage X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: via nntpserv with nntp; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 02:47:41 -0500 (EST) Path: andrew.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!venus.sun.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!nntp-ucb.barrnet.net!well!jthomas From: jthomas@well.sf.ca.us (Jim Thomas) Newsgroups: alt.culture.internet,alt.politics.datahighway,alt.culture.usenet,alt.religion.kibology,alt.current-events.rimm-study,alt.internet.media-coverage Subject: Re: TIME on Net Censorship Date: 10 Jan 1996 04:33:51 GMT Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4cvfjf$1q6@nkosi.well.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: well.com Xref: bb3.andrew.cmu.edu alt.culture.internet:19898 alt.politics.datahighway:14854 alt.culture.usenet:21918 alt.religion.kibology:96658 alt.current-events.rimm-study:190 alt.internet.media-coverage:15896 In article , Marvin Sirbu wrote: >Excerpts from netnews.alt.current-events.rimm-study: 9-Jan-96 Re: TIME >on Net Censorship by D B McCullagh@netcom.com >> PED knew both times what Marty's status was. I told him what it was >> myself in November 1994. >> >> Marvin Sirbu, Marty's advisor, allowed Marty to represent himself as a >> post-doctoral researcher. So did CMU's PR office. PED went along with it. >> > >Declan, you should stick to making statements about subjects you know >something about. Unless you've been wiretapping my office you have no >way of knowing what I've told Marty, PED or anyone else. But then, >passing off speculation as fact is characteristic of many of your posts. > Speculation is not needed to trace Sirbu's contributions to a grossly unethical study. I'm wondering if, to reduce speculation, Sirbu would be willing to make available his federal grant application so we can see how Rimm's "credentials" were presented? >I personally informed Time of Marty's status in November, and never >condoned or "allowed Marty to represent himself as a post-doctoral >researcher" as you allege. Apparently, Sirbu forgot to tell Rimm not to misrepresent himself as being more credentialed than he was. Jim Thomas