From: sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: ADONIS BBS gets testy. Anyone else?
Date: 10 Mar 1994 14:38:10 GMT
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Hi y'all....
Just got a cute little message from "hung.+@adusa.com" castigating
me for my e-behaviour and that of my three friends on soc.motts (?!)
I take it he is corresponding with others, too, so I'll just include
this copy of email I sent back his way.....
> Ms. Sylvia :
>
> Ive noted that in Soc. Motts one of our users has been rather
> ungraciously badgered by a number of individuals for an occurance that
> was beyond his control. Nevertheless, the individual took it upon
> himself to explain further what occurred and was again raked over the
> coals by individuals that seemed to be more concerned in creating
> conflict than in resolving matters in a civilized and amicable manner.
Some people do that, sure.
I, however, have had several messages exchanged with "INWARD STROKE"
and found him to be intelligent, charming, and witty.
I also am delighted that he intends to spread the good word
about courteous BBSing practices to the best of his ability.
Seeing as how he was burned on soc.motss, most people would just say
"Fuck it." He, instead, saw one source of conflict and immediately
offered to help.
I posted, on soc.motss, my own feeling of the mistakes I made in judging
him too harshly, and said I thought he would be an asset to
soc.motss.
> My
> point being that good manners and politeness is learned, and a true
> asset in life.
INWARD STROKE knows this, for sure. He practices it, too.
As a conscienscious user, he is an asset to your BBS.
Treat him with care and kindness, and stop fucking up his private email.
I don't think your board can afford to lose too many users like him.
Have a good day.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. Anyone else?
Date: 11 Mar 1994 15:38:23 GMT
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In article <2lnbci$5qa@castor.hahnemann.edu> sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu writes:
[To the "sysop" (shudder) at adusa.com]
>I don't think your board can afford to lose too many users like him.
Probably not. I also exchanged email with Inward (we're on
a first-name basis, you know), who mischaracterized the
problem as a conflict between .edu and .com sites. He
actually *asked* for a copy of the old Emily Postnews. I
also mentioned to him that almost certainly there's a
better-run public access system with internet and usenet
connectivity, and he might want to consider switching. I
am having a hard time with the notion that these BBS systems
are not bothering to educate their users before unleashing
them on the rest of the net.
--
Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. Anyone else?
Message-ID: <1994Mar12.173455.12664@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>
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In <2lq39f$pgo@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU>
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>I am having a hard time with the notion that these BBS systems
>are not bothering to educate their users before unleashing
>them on the rest of the net.
That's a common complaint. For instance, I am not aware of any
education about the net given to students in Trinity College when they
get computer accounts.
<> You got the carrot
<> I've got the stick
<> You start to nibble
<> I start to lick
<> We get our bodies all hot and sweaty and runny...
<> And then we fuck like bunnies
<> --- "Bunnies" by Pansy Division
Ciaran.
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From: adonis.bbs@adusa.com (ADONIS BBS)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: ADONIS BBS gets testy. An
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 19:42:58 GMT
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If your going to quote dont be selective quote the whole message.
After all if your going to make PRIVATE E MAIL messages public , let
others have a proper means of judging content.
NOTE:
However, I suggest Sylvia you think twice about continuing this thread.
Read the last PVT E MAIL message. If you want to continue it, it will
be done on the phone from the Presidents office. You decide.
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From: dhuppert@panix.com (Don Huppert)
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Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. An
Date: 12 Mar 1994 20:58:41 -0500
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In article <9403121944571479@adusa.com>,
ADONIS BBS wrote:
>If your going to quote dont be selective quote the whole message.
>
>After all if your going to make PRIVATE E MAIL messages public , let
>others have a proper means of judging content.
>
>NOTE:
>
>
>However, I suggest Sylvia you think twice about continuing this thread.
>Read the last PVT E MAIL message. If you want to continue it, it will
>be done on the phone from the Presidents office. You decide.
WHOA! Forget about Whitewater. Bill Clinton's going to take Sylvia to
task on behalf of the ADONIS BBS?
I'm not even going to comment on Mr. Adonis' grammar and spelling. That thing
about 1000 monkeys typing for 1000 years? Only 900 to go.
Don
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From: markm@bogart.cse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Movie Scripts (was: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. An)
Date: 13 Mar 1994 03:23:43 GMT
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In article <9403121944571479@adusa.com>,
ADONIS BBS wrote:
>
>However, I suggest Sylvia you think twice about continuing this thread.
>Read the last PVT E MAIL message. If you want to continue it, it will
>be done on the phone from the Presidents office. You decide.
Can anyone else see the makings of yet another sleezy made-for-tv
movie coming out of this.
Perhaps we should work on the dialog now, so as to cash in on the
profits. I'll set the scene and others join in.
We open with a dimly lit room. Mini-blinds obviously back-lit
by cheap neon. Someone is smoking a clove cigarette while sitting on
the edge of a mohagany desk wrap up in a trench coat and wearing a fedora.
It's Miami in August. We're obviously not dealing with a sane person.
(S)he picks up the phone. Before dialing, the mouthpiece is wrapped
in a hankerchief. Obviously washing day must be tomorrow. We hear
the tell-tale sounds of a cheap K-Mart phone chirping through "Yellow
Rose of Texas" as the connection is made.
Heavy breathing is obvious and dramatic. Our eyes drawn to the
industrial size bottle of "balls-o-fire" lube on the desk. We
quickly avert our eyes.
A voice, not unlike Scarlet's, can be heard on the other end.
"It better be good, dammit!"
--> and now *you* help us with this soon-to-be award winning movie
screenplay. Remember, be witty, be Noel Coward.
--mark
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From: sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. An
Date: 13 Mar 1994 05:13:00 GMT
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In article <9403121944571479@adusa.com>,
adonis.bbs@adusa.com (ADONIS BBS) writes:
>If your going to quote dont be selective quote the whole message.
>
>After all if your going to make PRIVATE E MAIL messages public , let
>others have a proper means of judging content.
>
>NOTE:
>
>
>However, I suggest Sylvia you think twice about continuing this thread.
>Read the last PVT E MAIL message. If you want to continue it, it will
>be done on the phone from the Presidents office. You decide.
Translation:
Since this is barely literate, you might not understand the underlying
threat.
"hung.+@adusa.com" (Will he, I wonder include his own address
in the correspondence he plans to collect, or use his "cleaned up"
address?) sent me email saying he was taking to a fax campaign to
my organization's president, letting him know what a foul mouth I had.
hung.+ claims to have saved all of our correspondence, and, like I said,
I wonder if he will selectively edit to not appear he is sending e-mail with
the name "hung.+" to a proper young lady?
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. An
Date: 13 Mar 1994 16:09:54 GMT
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In article <2lu7cs$cq4@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu writes:
>Translation:
>Since this is barely literate, you might not understand the underlying
>threat.
Thanks! My years 'n years 'n years of education did
not provide me with the skills to parse much of this stuff
coming in off from the BBS systems. I hope those kids
from adusa.com don't cause you any problems, but I've got
to say that I think they're really funny. No wonder they
don't use their own names.
--
Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: jase@crl.com (Jase P. Wells)
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Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. An
Date: 13 Mar 1994 09:37:04 -0800
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sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys) writes:
[forgive me for the deletions; just trying to be brief, not selective!]
>"hung.+@adusa.com" (Will he, I wonder include his own address
>in the correspondence he plans to collect, or use his "cleaned up"
>address?) sent me email saying he was taking to a fax campaign to
>my organization's president, letting him know what a foul mouth I had.
>hung.+ claims to have saved all of our correspondence, and, like I said,
>I wonder if he will selectively edit to not appear he is sending e-mail with
>the name "hung.+" to a proper young lady?
Well, I just read a post by the Mr. Hung in question. Seems he's
boasting about the size of his and his lover's penises. (Or was
that IQ? The numbers were quite vague.) Looks like he's trying
to find some "friends" for him and his lover over Spring Break.
I didn't really hold it against him (although I couldn't resist a
quippy followup), but after I read this post it sounds a little
two-faced to complain about someone having a supposed 'foul mouth'
and then turn right around and solicit for a good time...
*Shrug*
Jase
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_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ /\ jase@crl.com /\ It's a nice place
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_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ Now finger'able! ... or a plant. :-b
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 22:30:00 GMT
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S>From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
S>Newsgroups: soc.motss
S>Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. Anyone else?
S>I also mentioned to him that almost certainly there's a
S>better-run public access system with internet and usenet
S>connectivity, and he might want to consider switching.
I divide my time between Naples FL, South Miami Beach, and Fairfield
Iowa. Naples has no Internet provider, and neither does Fairfield. I
don't know about Miami, but I don't spend all that much time there. As
it is, I am dialing long distance to access Adonis BBS. I tried CRIS,
and it is worthless: they seem to pick up only a fraction of the
articles posted, and they hack off the headers. Because of long-distance
charges, I am limited to services that provide QWKmail support.
Adonis BBS is the best I've found so far. (I can see the rotten tomatoes
flying already)
John
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* j.stanley@genie.geis.com (preferred) *
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From: sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
Date: 13 Mar 1994 14:41:45 GMT
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In article <9403140432431480@adusa.com>, inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE) writes:
>Adonis BBS is the best I've found so far. (I can see the rotten tomatoes
>flying already)
There shouldn't be any.
You provided a complete explanation of your problem
(and the sorts of problems facing people not necessarily
in the big cities) with courtesy, and provided
a non-nonsense answer to a suggestion.
People rarely get thanked for that, so allow me to do it now.
Thank you for clearing that up.
+-- Sylvia --------------------------------------- sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu --+
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From: aberson@typhon.aoml.erl.gov (Sim Aberson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
Date: 14 Mar 1994 15:40:27 GMT
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In article <2lv8n9$s2g@castor.hahnemann.edu>,
ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
>You provided a complete explanation of your problem
>(and the sorts of problems facing people not necessarily
>in the big cities)
Um, his city is bigger than Philadelphia.
--
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From: sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
Date: 14 Mar 1994 16:08:03 GMT
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In article <2m20hb$lhp@wave.aoml.erl.gov>,
aberson@typhon.aoml.erl.gov (Sim Aberson) writes:
>In article <2lv8n9$s2g@castor.hahnemann.edu>,
>ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
>>You provided a complete explanation of your problem
>>(and the sorts of problems facing people not necessarily
>>in the big cities)
>
>Um, his city is bigger than Philadelphia.
..but still not so full of BBS offerings that he doesn't
have to call long distance? Real Life is more than numbers.
Or were you combining the populations of the places between
which he divides his time?
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From: aberson@typhon.aoml.erl.gov (Sim Aberson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
Date: 14 Mar 1994 17:17:40 GMT
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In article <2m2253$lvf@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
>In article <2m20hb$lhp@wave.aoml.erl.gov>,
>aberson@typhon.aoml.erl.gov (Sim Aberson) writes:
>>In article <2lv8n9$s2g@castor.hahnemann.edu>,
>>ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
>>>You provided a complete explanation of your problem
>>>(and the sorts of problems facing people not necessarily
>>>in the big cities)
>>
>>Um, his city is bigger than Philadelphia.
>
>..but still not so full of BBS offerings that he doesn't
>have to call long distance? Real Life is more than numbers.
>Or were you combining the populations of the places between
>which he divides his time?
To my knowledge, South Florida has no public access internet access
(this will change when the Freenets become available, although when this
will be, I'm not quite sure).
You mentioned that his problem was the result of being someone "not
necessarily in the big cities." That is not the case here.
--
Sim Aberson AOML/Hurricane Research Division Miami, FL
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From: sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
Date: 14 Mar 1994 17:39:33 GMT
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In article <2m267k$ojr@wave.aoml.erl.gov>,
aberson@typhon.aoml.erl.gov (Sim Aberson) writes:
>To my knowledge, South Florida has no public access internet access
>(this will change when the Freenets become available, although when this
>will be, I'm not quite sure).
>
>You mentioned that his problem was the result of being someone "not
>necessarily in the big cities." That is not the case here.
Well, pardon me for not being aware of the relationship
between Naples, FL and Miami proper. I know that's the hallmark
of dolts everywhere.
As for you ridiculous last sentence, I offer:
> From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
> Newsgroups: soc.motss
> Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
> I divide my time between Naples FL, South Miami Beach, and Fairfield
> Iowa. Naples has no Internet provider, and neither does Fairfield. I
> don't know about Miami, but I don't spend all that much time there. As
> it is, I am dialing long distance to access Adonis BBS.
Need to hear that again? Anything you missed this time?
+-- Sylvia ---------------------------------- STICKY.COOZ@cvi.hahnemann.edu --+
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
Date: 14 Mar 1994 17:41:32 GMT
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In article <2m267k$ojr@wave.aoml.erl.gov> aberson@ocean.aoml.erl.gov writes:
>You mentioned that his problem was the result of being someone "not
>necessarily in the big cities." That is not the case here.
While there may or may not be BBS-type systems with usenet
and/or internet access (hint to newbie wieners: they aren't
the same thing) in your region, there are national services,
such as Alternet, that have local dialups in a huge number
of cities. Including (gasp!) greater metropolitan Ithaca.
--
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From: aberson@typhon.aoml.erl.gov (Sim Aberson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
Date: 14 Mar 1994 18:12:00 GMT
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In article <2m27gl$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys shows that her worry
over the ADONIS BBS is wreaking havoc with her reading comprehension
skills:
>Well, pardon me for not being aware of the relationship
>between Naples, FL and Miami proper. I know that's the hallmark
>of dolts everywhere.
...and is no nice even to provide the proof.
>> From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
>> Newsgroups: soc.motss
>> Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
>
>> I divide my time between Naples FL, South Miami Beach, and Fairfield
>> Iowa. Naples has no Internet provider, and neither does Fairfield. I
>> don't know about Miami, but I don't spend all that much time there. As
>> it is, I am dialing long distance to access Adonis BBS.
>
>Need to hear that again? Anything you missed this time?
Let's see. According to the US Census in 1990, he was spending time in
a metropolitan area with population of 4.2 million people. I know it's nothing
compared to Philadelphia's 5.9 million (I did misstate that Miami was
more populated than Philadelphia before), but I'd still consider it a
large city.
Sim, wondering whether Sylvia thought South Miami Beach was in Naples or
in Iowa.
--
Sim Aberson AOML/Hurricane Research Division Miami, FL
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From: sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
Date: 14 Mar 1994 18:41:18 GMT
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In article <2m29dg$qb9@wave.aoml.erl.gov>,
aberson@typhon.aoml.erl.gov (Sim Aberson) writes:
>Sim, wondering whether Sylvia thought South Miami Beach was in Naples or
>in Iowa.
Wherever it is, INWARD STROKE has to use Long distance to reach
that beacon of BBS-hood, and he stated that he has tried
others.
The whole point is that rather than clenching his fists
and shrieking like a baby with diaper rash, a la other
famous BBSers, INWARD STROKE patiently and thoroughly
explained his situation to people who assumed right
off the bat that he hadn't tried very hard.
I thought it was all very civilized, and I was
grateful for some civil fucking discourse.
*DAMN!*
SIM!! Look what you made me do!!!!
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From: axb39@po.CWRU.Edu (Ann Burlingham)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. An
Date: 14 Mar 1994 20:35:59 GMT
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In a previous article, adonis.bbs@adusa.com (ADONIS BBS) says:
>If your going to quote dont be selective quote the whole message.
*groan*
(stuff deleted. so there!)
--
Ann Burlingham
Sears Library Case Western Reserve University It's alarming
x5200 10900 Euclid Avenue how charming
axb39@po.cwru.edu Cleveland, Ohio 44106 I feel
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From: halat@panther.bear.com (Jim Halat)
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Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
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Date: 14 Mar 94 23:21:39 GMT
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aberson@typhon.aoml.erl.gov wrote:
> In article <2lv8n9$s2g@castor.hahnemann.edu>,
> ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
> >You provided a complete explanation of your problem
> >(and the sorts of problems facing people not necessarily
> >in the big cities)
> Um, his city is bigger than Philadelphia.
Huh? (Naples FL, South Miami Beach, Fairfield, Iowa?)
Has Fairfield had a population explosion that has launched
it into fifth place?
-- Jim Halat
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From: pstinard@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Philip S. Stinard )
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fairfield, IA (was: ADONIS BBS gets testy)
Date: 15 Mar 1994 14:10:57 GMT
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halat@panther.bear.com (Jim Halat) writes:
>aberson@typhon.aoml.erl.gov wrote:
> > In article <2lv8n9$s2g@castor.hahnemann.edu>,
> > ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
> > >You provided a complete explanation of your problem
> > >(and the sorts of problems facing people not necessarily
> > >in the big cities)
> > Um, his city is bigger than Philadelphia.
>Huh? (Naples FL, South Miami Beach, Fairfield, Iowa?)
>Has Fairfield had a population explosion that has launched
>it into fifth place?
>-- Jim Halat
Fairfield has influence far beyond its size because of all of the people
meditating at MIU. Why do you think the Cold War is over? :)
--Phil Stinard
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From: everettm@mickey.think.com (Mark Everett)
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In-reply-to: sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu's message of 14 Mar 1994 18:41:18 GMT
In article <2m2b4e$qt8@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys) writes:
In article <2m29dg$qb9@wave.aoml.erl.gov>,
aberson@typhon.aoml.erl.gov (Sim Aberson) writes:
>Sim, wondering whether Sylvia thought South Miami Beach was in Naples or
>in Iowa.
Wherever it is, INWARD STROKE has to use Long distance to reach
that beacon of BBS-hood, and he stated that he has tried
others.
The whole point is that rather than clenching his fists
and shrieking like a baby with diaper rash, a la other
famous BBSers, INWARD STROKE patiently and thoroughly
explained his situation to people who assumed right
off the bat that he hadn't tried very hard.
I thought it was all very civilized, and I was
grateful for some civil fucking discourse.
^^^^^^^
Its okay. Its got seven letters.
*DAMN!*
SIM!! Look what you made me do!!!!
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From: stephena@netcom.com (Steve Arrants)
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. An
Message-ID:
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 16:41:34 GMT
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In article <9403121944571479@adusa.com> adonis.bbs@adusa.com (ADONIS BBS) writes:
>If your going to quote dont be selective quote the whole message.
>
>After all if your going to make PRIVATE E MAIL messages public , let
>others have a proper means of judging content.
>
>NOTE:
>
>
>However, I suggest Sylvia you think twice about continuing this thread.
>Read the last PVT E MAIL message. If you want to continue it, it will
>be done on the phone from the Presidents office. You decide.
This isn't a BBS you can lord over, you fool. Go away. Or we shall call
up the pods in their BIG RED RHINESTONE PUMPS to chase you back through
the gateway.
--
===========================================================================
Steve Arrants, somewhere between Sausalito and the Russian River...
The dream was marvelous, but the terror was great;
we must treasure the dream whatever the terror. -- Gilgamesh
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From: halat@panther.bear.com (Jim Halat)
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Subject: Re: Fairfield, IA (was: ADONIS BBS gets testy)
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pstinard@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote:
> Fairfield has influence far beyond its size because of all of the people
> meditating at MIU. Why do you think the Cold War is over? :)
Oh, so that's why. I thought it was because the Soviet Union
got nauseated at Ronnie's performance in that 8 year mini-
series called "Morning in America," where nobody seemed to
be able to actually get out of bed.
-- Jim Halat
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Streisand's Auction
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 13:35:00 GMT
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K|From: kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards)
K|Newsgroups: soc.motss
K|Subject: Streisand's Auction
K|Surely, this at last qualifies me for my Queer Card? I mean, what could be
K|more gay than art deco previously owned by Barbara Streisand?
Hmmmmmm..... I have never enjoyed Barbara Streisand nor Judy Garland.
Does this mean I'm not gay enough ?
John
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 22:30:00 GMT
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S>From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
S>Newsgroups: soc.motss
S>Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. Anyone else?
S>I also mentioned to him that almost certainly there's a
S>better-run public access system with internet and usenet
S>connectivity, and he might want to consider switching.
I divide my time between Naples FL, South Miami Beach, and Fairfield
Iowa. Naples has no Internet provider, and neither does Fairfield. I
don't know about Miami, but I don't spend all that much time there. As
it is, I am dialing long distance to access Adonis BBS. I tried CRIS,
and it is worthless: they seem to pick up only a fraction of the
articles posted, and they hack off the headers. Because of long-distance
charges, I am limited to services that provide QWKmail support.
Adonis BBS is the best I've found so far. (I can see the rotten tomatoes
flying already)
John
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Re(2): Gay Disease
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 14:47:00 GMT
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A>Newsgroups: soc.motss
A>Subject: Re: Re(2): Gay Disease
A>Date: 13 Mar 1994 09:19:44 -0800
A>In article <2lvheh$20k@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU>
A>shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
A>>In article <0004F6BE.fc@pop.com> BMcCarty@pop.com writes:
A>[ I can't tell you how delighted I was to come
A> across this particular posting on soc.motss
A> and twice in e-mail. I didn't have much of
A> an opinion about overgrown BBSs invading the
A> Internet before now, even though I find the
A> chopped off Subject: lines and the -==>Quoting
A> Someone to All<==- attribution thingies to be
A> vaguely irritating, but this is really the limit. ]
I can't really tell who actually wrote this paragraph, although I am
responding to an article by Arne (BBS's aren't the only one's creating
quoting confusion.)
The problem with chopped off subject lines from articles originating
from BBS's would be greatly reduced if folks would simply update their
software. My shareware version of Offline Express would chop subject
lines and not allow entry of long Internet addresses. When I finally
shelled out my 40 bucks for the registered version, to my delight I
discovered that these problems had been remedied. I do, however, leave
part of the header intact, just in case.
John
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Music with Queer Cont
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 15:03:00 GMT
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A>From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolfsen)
A>Newsgroups: soc.motss
A>Subject: Re: Music with Queer Content
A>> body straight from a comic book, a self-depricating
A>> sense of humor.
A>Er, self-depr*e*cating.
A>I've posted more misspellings and grammatical errors
A>today than I have in quite some time. It must be
A>that cat I'm catsitting.
A>Arne
I may be posting from a lowly BBS, but *my* mail reader has a built in
spell checker. neener neener neener ;-)
John
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: 12-Step Widow in L.A.
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 17:27:00 GMT
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PH>From: Peter Hartikka
PH>Newsgroups: soc.motss
PH>Subject: 12-Step Widow in L.A.
PH>I knew what I was in for when I signed on, but I wonder if
PH>anyone has any insight on:
PH> 1. encouraging him to go beyond the 12 steps and finish
PH> his recovery (he has 8 years)
PH> 2. just plain coping with the fact that his
PH> recovery takes precedence over our relationship
PH>He keeps pushing me to go to Nar-Anon, but I don't see that HIS "recovery"
PH>is MY problem. Sigh.
PH>Anyone else out there in the same boat? Thanks!
I am not in the same boat, but I *do* have some opinions WRT 12-Step
groups. While I certainly acknowledge their usefulness in helping folks
out of destructive addictive behavior, it often seems like the 12-step
group becomes a substitute addiction. They also have this thing about
proclaiming themselves to be addicts, ya know, the ol' 'Hi, I'm John,
and I'm an alcoholic.' I see this as a self-fulfilling prophecy. By
saying this over and over, it becomes structured in ones consciousness.
I find the 2-step group much more to my liking:
1. Get over it.
2. Stay over it.
John
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:24:00 GMT
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S>From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
S>Newsgroups: soc.motss
S>Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
S>Say, did I mention that the email address of bait-for-
S>brains' (15) news feed's technical contact is
S>tom@gate.net? If you choose to write him, be nice. It
S>can't be easy being in his position, and he almost
S>certainly didn't realize that Hung was going to dump email
S>to the net, read his users' private mail, or harass
S>long-time usenetters.
To all:
Cybergate is a very new Internet/Usenet provider. Adonis BBS is one of
their first UUCP clients. The error that started this whole mess occurred
at Cybergate, which is doing it's best to work out its bugs and growing
pains.
The posting error did *NOT* occur on Adonis BBS's facilities. I and
Adonis BBS have both been flamed for Cybergate's mistake.
At the risk of catching hell from my sysop, I will say this: I am very
upset that Sylvia lost her net access. I e-mailed Melinda to find out
how to contact Hahnemann myself, but she told me that Sylvia
specifically requested that we do not.
It was not at all in the best interests of this BBS for the sysop to
have taken his plan of action, IMHO. The only thing he accomplished is
to make Adonis users unwelcome on the net, thus reducing the value of
his board. [sorry, Roger, but that's the way I feel]
John
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as ex
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 22:39:00 GMT
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A>From: arne@spdcc.com (Arne Adolfsen)
A>Newsgroups: soc.motss,news.admin.misc
A>Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as explained by a BBS sysop
A>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 22:17:10 GMT
A>Message-ID:
A>Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
A> -- that they apparently don't
A>see attribution lines on postings is a *MAJOR* problem,
A>and one likely to result in *ENORMOUS* *FLAMEWARS*.
A>Arne
Is the above what you would call an "attribution line" ? If it is, then
it is obvious that we get them. If it is not, please explain.
If you want a service that deletes those first 6 lines, sign up with
CRIS, which is a heavily advertised service with nodes available all
over the country. Been there. Done it. They *really* suck.
John
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Music with Queer Cont
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:32:00 GMT
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G>From: gsmith@uoft02.utoledo.edu
G>Newsgroups: soc.motss
G>Subject: Re: Music with Queer Cont
G>I have nothing against you personally. But if you want any respect
G>from anyone around here, I suggest you post from somewhere which has
G>no connection of any kind with Adonis BBS. It wouldn't hurt to
G>get an actual name up in the name field. Maybe I'm not the best
G>one to complain about this, considering that I have "gsmith" up
G>there, but almost anything would be better than "Inward Stroke".
G>That comes pretty close to wearing a "kick me" sign.
I believe that it would be possible to for me to change the name field
to reflect my real name. I will request it.
I joined this BBS as I was finally accepting myself and coming out at
the age of 32 (back in September.) It was a very frightening
experience, and I took great comfort in being able to communicate with
people anonymously. I'm out now. There's a rainbow sticker on the back
of my car, and I don't give a damn if people know I'm queer. I no longer
have a need for the anonymity.
As for judging me by the system I use, that's your business. But it
reflects poorly on you. I am an individual, as are the countless users
on AOL and Delphi. Some users are clueless morons. Some are not. The
more intelligent people on soc.motss can distinguish me from the BBS I
use. I have been warmly welcomed here by a handful of wonderful
soc.motssers, including Sylvia.
The reason I use this BBS is that I have a need for offline reading. I
call long distance to access Usenet, and the compression of newsgroups
into a compact .QWK packet saves me money. Adonis BBS is one of *four*
systems that I have tried, repeat FOUR !!! (adusa.com, blade.com,
studs.com, and cris.com) I know this will elicit flames, but Adonis is
the best of them, and it is about to get even better when a whole new
server is installed in a couple weeks. If I find a better service that
fits my needs, then I will sign up in the interest of avoiding
harassment. But for the time being, I will remain where I am.
John
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Music with Queer Cont
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 11:10:00 GMT
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G>From: gsmith@uoft02.utoledo.edu
G>Newsgroups: soc.motss
G>Subject: Re: Music with Queer Cont
G>I have nothing against you personally. But if you want any respect
G>from anyone around here, I suggest you post from somewhere which has
G>no connection of any kind with Adonis BBS. It wouldn't hurt to
G>get an actual name up in the name field. Maybe I'm not the best
G>one to complain about this, considering that I have "gsmith" up
G>there, but almost anything would be better than "Inward Stroke".
G>That comes pretty close to wearing a "kick me" sign.
I believe that it would be possible to for me to change the name field
to reflect my real name. I will request it.
I joined this BBS as I was finally accepting myself and coming out at
the age of 32 (back in September.) It was a very frightening
experience, and I took great comfort in being able to communicate with
people anonymously. I'm out now. There's a rainbow sticker on the back
of my car, and I don't give a damn if people know I'm queer. I no longer
have a need for the anonymity.
As for judging me by the system I use, that's your business. But it
reflects poorly on you. I am an individual, as are the countless users
on AOL and Delphi. Some users are clueless morons. Some are not. I
have seen people at Delphi who have a far more profound understanding of
their mail readers than some folks who post from .edu sites. The more
intelligent people on soc.motss can distinguish me from the BBS I use. I
have been warmly welcomed here by a handful of wonderful soc.motssers,
including Sylvia.
The reason I use this BBS is that I have a need for offline reading. I
call long distance to access Usenet, and the compression of newsgroups
into a compact .QWK packet saves me money. Adonis BBS is one of *four*
systems that I have tried, repeat FOUR !!! (adusa.com, blade.com,
studs.com, and cris.com) I know this will elicit flames, but Adonis is
the best of them, and it is about to get even better when a whole new
server is installed in a couple weeks. If I find a better service that
fits my needs, then I will sign up in the interest of avoiding
harassment. But for the time being, I will remain where I am, but I
*am* looking for an alternative.
John
************************************************************ *********
* Real name is John Stanley; handle flaming not necessary! * *******
* inward.stroke@adusa.com j.stanley@genie.geis.com * *****
************************************************************ *
* OLX 1.52 * Diagonally parked in a parallel universe.
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Music with Queer Cont
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 12:11:00 GMT
Message-ID: <9403180811472551@adusa.com>
Organization: ADONIS BBS 1 407 881 8641 /\o!o/\
Distribution: world
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G>From: gsmith@uoft02.utoledo.edu
G>Newsgroups: soc.motss
G>Subject: Re: Music with Queer Cont
G>To me it sounds BBS-like, so I hate it. It sounds like a sexual
G>innuendo, sort of like Hung+. Once again, *to me*, that is a little
G>like announcing yourself to be an idiot.
The name 'Inward Stroke' is the term that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi uses to
describe the process of meditation (outward stroke being activity). I,
however, find the term subtly erotic. Are you capable of seeing the
irony in a sexual innuendo given to me by a celibate monk ?
G>I have seen nothing especially intelligent or interesting from Inward
G>Stroke. But just seeing anyone posting from Adonis makes me puke,
G>so maybe I've missed it.
Gene,
You are coming across to me as the queer equivalent of Rev. Phelps. All
I ever seem to see you post is hatred in one form or another. It, too,
is neither intelligent nor interesting. I judge this by your words, not
the site you post from, even though I spent one of the worst years of my
life in Ohio.
John
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* Real name is John Stanley; handle flaming not necessary! * *******
* inward.stroke@adusa.com j.stanley@genie.geis.com * *****
************************************************************ *
* OLX 1.52 * And they said unto Jesus, "How the hell did you do that?!
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: 12-Step Widow in L.A.
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 12:51:00 GMT
Message-ID: <9403180811472552@adusa.com>
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A>From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
A>Newsgroups: soc.motss
A>Subject: Re: 12-Step Widow in L.A.
A>In article <9403151241211984@adusa.com>
A>inward.stroke@adusa.com (John Stanley) writes:
^^^^ ^^^^^^^
Thanks!!
A>Because we've had them before, I hope we can avoid another
A>full-scale outbreak of 12-step skirmishes and self-help wars.
Fine by me. I'm actually having an interesting exchange in e-mail with
the original poster, finnboy@delphi.com, about this thread. We are very
much in agreement.
A>Naturally, not knowing your particular experience, this
A>impresses one variously. Baldly stated in that way, your
A>remedy seems to me simplistic. It raises the question of
A>what your experience in such matters might be.
Confession time: I was a serious pothead, but I burnt out on it, so I
quit. Several years later, I went back to very heavy drinking. I could
not get through even one day without a drink. Now, WRT alcohol, I can
take it or leave it. It is entirely possible for me to go to a bar and
have only one drink, 6 drinks, or no drinks. It is *completely* under my
control. I am beyond the addiction phase. The problem I see with 12-step
groups is that they leave the addict always on the razor's edge of
addiction instead of moving beyond it. There is a guy I know who has
been sober for years, but all he ever talks about is AA.
I overcame my addiction through chiropractic, meditation, Ayurveda, and
a damn good woman. Your milage may vary.
John
************************************************************ *********
* Real name is John Stanley; handle flaming not necessary! * *******
* inward.stroke@adusa.com j.stanley@genie.geis.com * *****
************************************************************ *
* OLX 1.52 * I'll have one brain on drugs, hash browns, and coffee.
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How the Net was won
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 13:05:00 GMT
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B>From: bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett)
B>Newsgroups: soc.motss
B>Subject: Re: How the Net was won
B>By elitism I mean I don't think it's fair to discriminate against someone
B>because of where their posts originate. Take INWARD STROKE, for example.
Thank you! I'd like to point out that of the two hundred something users
on Adonis (adusa.com) there are only 2, count 'em 2, users who post in
soc.motss (other than the occasional flame from our illustrious sysop)
They are Jerry Trowbridge and myself. We are both pissed off about the
Sylvia situation.
B>As for what we have to lose, I for one consider Sylvia to be a great
B>loss.
Agreed.
John
************************************************************ *********
* Real name is John Stanley; handle flaming not necessary! * *******
* inward.stroke@adusa.com j.stanley@genie.geis.com * *****
************************************************************ *
* OLX 1.52 * Pure drivel tends to drive away ordinary drivel
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as ex
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 13:38:00 GMT
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B>From: balistik@nevada.edu (Shawn R. Hicks)
B>Newsgroups: soc.motss,news.admin.misc
B>Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as explained by a BBS sysop
B>Date: 16 Mar 1994 00:43:01 GMT
B>Message-ID: <2m5kml$l5u@post-office.nevada.edu>
B>Organization: Queer Agenda: Human Resources Dept
B>The business major in me wonders what the services at adusa.com
B>are that attract the most users.
B>I wonder if Inward.Stroke can give us some information on that?
I signed up because it was a part of StudsNet, a network of queer BBS's
spanning the globe. However, due to a disagreement between the sysops at
Studs and Adonis, Studs kicked Adonis off of StudsNet (what *is* it with
these sysops!?!) Adonis has since picked up Throbnet (boring), and also
started FLAnet, a net linking several BBS's in FL. I now access StudsNet
through a different BBS.
The vast majority of users on Adonis call up to meet local people or
download .gifs, including user .gifs.
B>I suppose I'm thinking in "what if" mode: what if it's access to
B>Usenet?
That is the case with me, however I am only aware of two people, Jerry
Trowbridge and myself, who use Adonis for Usenet. Jerry has had Usenet
access for a long time via several other different services, and I have
been lurking but not posting much on Usenet for several months. Neither
of us, IMNSHO, are the kind of twits that everyone fears.
John
************************************************************ *********
* Real name is John Stanley; handle flaming not necessary! * *******
* inward.stroke@adusa.com j.stanley@genie.geis.com * *****
************************************************************ *
* OLX 1.52 * Chemistry is just smelly Physics.
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: With all this CRAP ha
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 13:55:00 GMT
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A>From: arne@spdcc.com (Arne Adolfsen)
A>Newsgroups: soc.motss
A>Subject: Re: With all this CRAP happening...
A>Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 04:14:23 GMT
A>Message-ID:
A>Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
A>We would have to have a clearly defined
A>list of no-no's -- personal ads, wannafucks, crosspostings
[deletia]
A>AIDS" kind, private e-mail that is mistakenly routed here
A>because some secondrate (10) BBS has lousy (5) software --
A>but at this point I'd be willing to live with it.
ObCorrection: The problem occurred at Cybergate, not adusa.com
Flame the sysop, not the system.
John
************************************************************ *********
* Real name is John Stanley; handle flaming not necessary! * *******
* inward.stroke@adusa.com j.stanley@genie.geis.com * *****
************************************************************ *
* OLX 1.52 * You can't have too many buttons--only too little surface
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: With all this CRAP ha
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 14:06:00 GMT
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G>From: gsmith@uoft02.utoledo.edu
G>Newsgroups: soc.motss
G>Subject: Re: With all this CRAP happening...
G>Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 05:35:43 GMT
G>Message-ID: <1994Mar16.003543.1@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
G>Organization: University of Toledo
G>Well, it would be nice if you could get the response time up.
G>One trouble with moderated groups is that it slows things
G>down, and makes things less spontaneous. Also, moderated groups
G>can be over-moderated, or unfairly moderated. Clear, easily applied
G>and agreed on guidelines would be the thing.
Oh! My! God! We actually agree on something! I blew off FIDO Gaylink
because the moderator was a tyrant. The only thing worse than a
tyrannical moderator is a site like Hahnemann that is too gutless to
stand up to a lone ego-wielding sysop.
John (who has requested a name-field change)
************************************************************ *********
* Real name is John Stanley; handle flaming not necessary! * *******
* inward.stroke@adusa.com j.stanley@genie.geis.com * *****
************************************************************ *
* OLX 1.52 * To thine own self be cool
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From: Carl M Kadie
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Subject: [soc.motss] I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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From: hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen)
Subject: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
Message-ID:
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 16:28:52 GMT
I don't know who complained where, but I was asked to pull the Jesus
quotation from my .sig file.
The quotation from Linda Ellerbee, "If I were Jesus I wouldn't want people
believing I had Welchade for blood," was deemed too controversial. Some
even suggested that since I work for a state institution, I should not be
using quotations of a religious nature (separation of church and state, you
know). While I find this line of reasoning a pile of hooey, I decided to
pull the quotation because it was relatively new and I hadn't had time to
become really attached to it. Rather than recycle an old quotation, I
decided to become quote-less in my .sig for a while.
Applications for new pithy quotes will be accepted soon.
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From: sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
Date: 14 Mar 1994 17:04:24 GMT
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In article , hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
>I don't know who complained where, but I was asked to pull the Jesus
>quotation from my .sig file.
>
>The quotation from Linda Ellerbee, "If I were Jesus I wouldn't want people
>believing I had Welchade for blood," was deemed too controversial.
Sigh.
The volume of cluelessness has rendered "irrelevant quote" tactics
ineffective on soc.motss.
alt.sex.intergen's creation may have pulled the plug on nyx
(the Denver public access Internet setup)
If anyone's been following a certain other thread which shall
remain nameless, I have been blessed with unsolicited email
from someone running a BBS who is hanging a threat above my
head to take things to the President of my own institution,
if I, uh, well, it's barely intelligible email, so I'm not
sure exactly what it is I am not supposed to do, but I am sure
of one thing: I better not do it again.
Oh, wait!!
I just got some email!!!
Let's take a look-see:
> From: MX%"rjm.adusa@adusa.com" 14-MAR-1994 11:55:58.69
> Subj: Update
> 3/14/93 10:00 AM EST
> 1. Spoke with Internet Account Administrators at Columbia U.
> 2. Filed formal complaint
> 3. They are tracking down your account and past postings from their
own records.
> 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
is an automatic cancellation of the account."
> 5. They will call me back and appraise me.
> 6. On receipt of their feedback, I will speak with Mr. George
Rupp at 212 854-2825 if matters have not been resolved to my
satisfaction.
> Moral : For every action there is a reaction
> Maybe next time if there is one, you will listen when someone tries
> to effect closure and give you some sound advice.
========================end of unedited email message============
There you go. I must have done it. I don't know what it
was, but I must have.
The barbarians are with us, not held back at the gate.
I was gonna do another Sylvia special (long, winded, bloated
ruminations about the future of globspace in cyberspace, blah,
blah, blah) but I feel sick to my stomach right now.
Oh, yeah. Back to Robert Hansen:
>Applications for new pithy quotes will be accepted soon.
See below.
+-- Sylvia --------------------------- HUNGRY.BUTT@cvi.hahnemann.edu --+
"Jesus loves you, but not enough to swallow."
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From: aberson@typhon.aoml.erl.gov (Sim Aberson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
Date: 14 Mar 1994 17:49:32 GMT
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In article <2m25ep$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
>I just got some email!!!
>
>Let's take a look-see:
>
>> From: MX%"rjm.adusa@adusa.com" 14-MAR-1994 11:55:58.69
>> Subj: Update
[blah, blah]
>> 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
> is an automatic cancellation of the account."
Oh, fuck!
>> 5. They will call me back and appraise me.
Much less than $0.02, I believe.
[blah, blah]
Back to Sylvia:
> "Jesus loves you, but not enough to swallow."
You've never met me.
--
Sim Aberson AOML/Hurricane Research Division Miami, FL
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
Date: 14 Mar 1994 18:15:04 GMT
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
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In article <2m283c$pkl@wave.aoml.erl.gov> aberson@ocean.aoml.erl.gov writes:
>In article <2m25ep$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
>>> 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
>> is an automatic cancellation of the account."
Do they have a similar policy regarding staff and faculty?
--
Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolfsen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
Date: 14 Mar 1994 11:24:28 -0800
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In article <2m25ep$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu quotes:
> > 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
> is an automatic cancellation of the account."
Those motherfuckers.
Arne
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From: bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett)
Subject: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Message-ID: <1994Mar14.195121.25674@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article <2m25ep$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
>The volume of cluelessness has rendered "irrelevant quote" tactics
>ineffective on soc.motss.
Agreed. Perhaps better kill files are called for.
>alt.sex.intergen's creation may have pulled the plug on nyx
>(the Denver public access Internet setup)
Kevin Simpson, a columnist for the Denver Post, devoted his space
yesterday to discussing this very topic. It seems there's one guy
who uses nyx who is outraged that such a group can exist on the
"information superhighway". He insists that nyx drop the group, since
it appears he's not having much luck destroying it on his own. (Kevin
agrees with him, it seems.)
Maybe it's just me, but I really believe that usenet/internet for the
masses will result in a giant step backwards for the net as a whole, at
least temporarily. Eventually I believe net access will prove to be a
positive thing for our society. But the transition from primarily
technical and knowledgeable net users to OneBigHappyNetForEveryone(tm)
will be a painful one for those of us who have been around for a while.
The good thing about this is that we are in a position to ease this
transition by educating the new users as they come along. The bad thing
is that education takes time and energy, and not all of us are prepared
to devote this to yet another intangible cause when we have so many other
pressing claims on our resources.
>If anyone's been following a certain other thread which shall
>remain nameless, I have been blessed with unsolicited email
>from someone running a BBS who is hanging a threat above my
>head to take things to the President of my own institution,
>if I, uh, well, it's barely intelligible email, so I'm not
>sure exactly what it is I am not supposed to do, but I am sure
>of one thing: I better not do it again.
[letter deleted]
It's pretty clear to me that the person in question here is out of
line, and is overreacting. Still, the primary burden of education
lies with people like me--news administrators, especially administrators
of very large domains. I know that I've treated news as a very small
part of my job responsibilities, but it's apparent that the time has
come to start taking a stand on things like this. (And if the person
who wrote you this letter wants to complain about me for supporting
you the way he complained about Melinda, let him feel free. I have every
confidence that Sunsoft and Sun Microsystems will support me. You
may be able to rely upon universities shying away from controversies,
but that dog won't hunt when you deal with large private concerns.)
>The barbarians are with us, not held back at the gate.
Yes, but I think the barbarians have the potential to become civilized
net-citizens, if we help them. We need to realise that the net is
changing, and that change can sometimes be a long, painful process for
everyone involved. The newcomers to the net also need to realise that
they are now part of a much larger "community", for lack of a better
word, and that they now have a responsibility to follow the social
conventions of that "community". The net is a very diverse place, and
as it has grown we've established these social conventions to minimize
the number and severity of the inevitable conflicts that will arise.
Congratulations, you're adding to that diversity. But please realise
that the net is not an overgrown BBS, and the rules you're used to may
not apply to the rest of us.
>I was gonna do another Sylvia special (long, winded, bloated
>ruminations about the future of globspace in cyberspace, blah,
>blah, blah) but I feel sick to my stomach right now.
That's o.k. I've done it for you. I hope you don't mind too much.
>+-- Sylvia --------------------------- HUNGRY.BUTT@cvi.hahnemann.edu --+
> "Jesus loves you, but not enough to swallow."
Terry Bartlett bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Inc.
Rocky Mountain Technology Center
Colorado Springs, CO
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolfsen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Date: 14 Mar 1994 12:23:57 -0800
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In article <1994Mar14.195121.25674@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>
bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:
> In article <2m25ep$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
> ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
> >The volume of cluelessness has rendered "irrelevant quote" tactics
> >ineffective on soc.motss.
> Agreed. Perhaps better kill files are called for.
Ones that actually kill?
Arne
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From: rsdonley@quads.uchicago.edu (Roger Donley)
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
Message-ID: <1994Mar14.201214.28719@midway.uchicago.edu>
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In article hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
>I don't know who complained where, but I was asked to pull the Jesus
>quotation from my .sig file.
>
>| ROBERT A. HANSEN |
*WHO* asked you to remove it? Your coworkers, your boss, a friend, someone
who doesn't know you?
Separation of Church and State means that govt can't support one particular
religious belief or attempt to put down some religious group. It doesn't mean
you as an individual have forfeited your right to free epression or free
exercise of your own religious beliefs.
--Roger
ObJesusWelchadeQuote: I didn't think it was funny and didn't like it because
I thought it was intended to create controversy and offend unnecessarily. But
I hate to see you cave in on it if it expresses what you wanted to say.
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Random net complaints (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article <2m25ep$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
>alt.sex.intergen's creation may have pulled the plug on nyx
>(the Denver public access Internet setup)
Things are being weird on alt.sex.intergen, that's certainly for sure.
The group deserves defense. I'm unimpressed with nyx's attempt at
being "free speech", though, especially when their users deliberately
flood a newsgroup in an attempt to shut it down.
[Sylvia's Adusa buddies]
>> 1. Spoke with Internet Account Administrators at Columbia U.
I really dig that resume-style speech.
>>3. They are tracking down your account and past postings from their
>>own records.
such investigative powers! "Bring out the secret tapes."
>> 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
>> is an automatic cancellation of the account."
Doesn't th*t m*k* it h*rd to m*k* y**r meaning clear? Wh*t k*nd of
fucking *n*v would censor their students in th*s manner?
>> 5. They will call me back and appraise me.
priceless.
>>On receipt of their feedback, I will speak with Mr. George Rupp
George Rupp? Isn't he at Columbia now? I should pull some strings for
you - I went to high school with his daughter, back when he was the
president of Rice University. He's a very nice man. One of our
favourite funk bands in Houston, "Sprawl", had a lyric about "Big ass
jewel / facist death tool / shooting psychedelic lightning through
George Rupp's pool."
>I was gonna do another Sylvia special (long, winded, bloated
>ruminations about the future of globspace in cyberspace, blah,
>blah, blah) but I feel sick to my stomach right now.
It's been a bad couple of weeks for the net, I think. We really should
revive the cabal mailing list.
>+-- Sylvia --------------------------- HUNGRY.BUTT@cvi.hahnemann.edu --+
> "Jesus loves you, but not enough to swallow."
"Trust Jesus, but use a condom".
Good luck in your adversity, Sylvia. Remind you to tell you my story
about gerbils sometime.
__ http://www.reed.edu/~nelson/
nelson@reed.edu \/ Life's like Sanskrit read to a pony
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From: sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Random net complaints (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article <2m2iar$fub@scratchy.reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Good luck in your adversity, Sylvia. Remind you to tell you my story
>about gerbils sometime.
Well, I just got an official reprimand from upstairs here
about the obscenity. One more time and I'm yanked.
(Melinda might like to note that her reputation is spreading
far and wee, as "Cornell" apparently came up in the conversation
between the guy here and "HUNG.+")
I made it clear that *I* began receiving unsolicited email,
signed with clues as to what kinda stuff the aggrieved sysop
was packin', after noting publicly that messages soliciting
sex started appearing in an inappropriate place.
It definitely made an impression.
>nelson@reed.edu \/ Life's like Sanskrit read to a pony
Fuckin' LOU REED!
++Sylvia, whose Lou Reed list has begun getting bad subscribe requests
from BBSers, annoying me to NO FLIPPIN' END!
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
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Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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In article <2m29j9$jlv@fitz.tc.cornell.edu>,
Melinda Shore wrote:
>>>> 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
>>> is an automatic cancellation of the account."
>Do they have a similar policy regarding staff and faculty?
Shit no, we're above all that fuckin' dumb-ass nonsense,
didntcha know? We get away with murder because we can
stick it to the students, er, I meant to say, well, uh...
--
[Jess Anderson % anderson@doit.wisc.edu % Network Engineering Technology Group]
[Systems Engineering Dept % Div of Information Technology % Univ of Wisconsin]
[Room 3130 % 1210 West Dayton Street % Madison WI 53706 % Phone 608/262-5888]
[----------> The evil in men's minds is just that: in their minds. <----------]
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From: jase@crl.com (Jase P. Wells)
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Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:
[discussion about nyx and alt.sex.intergen]
>Kevin Simpson, a columnist for the Denver Post, devoted his space
>yesterday to discussing this very topic. It seems there's one guy
>who uses nyx who is outraged that such a group can exist on the
>"information superhighway". He insists that nyx drop the group, since
>it appears he's not having much luck destroying it on his own. (Kevin
>agrees with him, it seems.)
>Maybe it's just me, but I really believe that usenet/internet for the
>masses will result in a giant step backwards for the net as a whole, at
>least temporarily. Eventually I believe net access will prove to be a
>positive thing for our society. But the transition from primarily
>technical and knowledgeable net users to OneBigHappyNetForEveryone(tm)
>will be a painful one for those of us who have been around for a while.
I know I'm more than just a little wary of all the hype over the
"Information Superhighway" and the thought of EVERYBODY being on
it. I guess I have a sort of elitest view, and I know it's not a
fair one, but I think the public masses should just stay on places
like Compu$erve or Genie where they can have their own little island
of censoring and policing. The thought that these people might flood
onto the Internet and try to change it (as in censorship of what is
an ok topic or newsgroup) scares me.
Sure, I do agree that a more electronically-aware society will
benefit everyone, but everyone needs to be warned that there are
topics of discussion on the Internet that they might find offensive
or valueless. But that doesn't mean they should put an end to it.
They should just ignore it, or go back to a regulated BBS system.
Just my three cent's worth.. (Hey, I try to tip when I can) ;-)
Jase
--
_/ _/_/ Jase P Wells I grew up in Fargo, ND.
_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ /\ jase@crl.com /\ It's a nice place
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ /__\ IM1RU12? /__\ to raise a family ...
_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ Now finger'able! ... or a plant. :-b
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From: dbd@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney)
Subject: Re: Random net complaints (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
>>> 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
>>> is an automatic cancellation of the account."
>
>Doesn't th*t m*k* it h*rd to m*k* y**r meaning clear? Wh*t k*nd of
>fucking *n*v would censor their students in th*s manner?
^^^^
Arnold? Anyone? Heeeeeeelp!
Dave "my mental spellchecker is making fizzy noises" DeLaney
--
David DeLaney: dbd@utkux.utcc.utk.edu; "A penny, a penny, twopence, a penny
and a half, and a halfpenny"; Disclaimer: IMHO; Thinking about this disclaimer__
may cause headaches, offense, brain seizure, or particle physics. VR-beable \/
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From: nfitch@ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch)
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Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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In article <2m2lkc$rg5@news.doit.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess
Anderson) wrote:
> In article <2m29j9$jlv@fitz.tc.cornell.edu>,
> Melinda Shore wrote:
>
> >>>> 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
> >>> is an automatic cancellation of the account."
>
> >Do they have a similar policy regarding staff and faculty?
>
> Shit no, we're above all that fuckin' dumb-ass nonsense,
> didntcha know?
Absolutely.
PEE! POO! BELLY! BUM! TAMPONS!
Isn't it nice to have graduated?
______.__________________________________________________________
\ / There ain't no way to tell you fellas how it feels
\ / To sack and burn a city wearin' six-inch heels.
\/ -- John M. Ford, "How Much For Just The Planet?"
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From: bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett)
Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article <2m2h4t$86f@mizar.usc.edu>,
Arne Adolfsen wrote:
>In article <1994Mar14.195121.25674@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>
>bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:
>> In article <2m25ep$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
>> ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys wrote:
>> >The volume of cluelessness has rendered "irrelevant quote" tactics
>> >ineffective on soc.motss.
>> Agreed. Perhaps better kill files are called for.
>Ones that actually kill?
Well. . .it violates the spirit of what I was trying to do in this
post. But why not? Whoever developes kill files that can actually
kill will make a fortune.
I'll see if I can get it into Solaris 2.5.
>Arne
Terry Bartlett bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Inc.
Rocky Mountain Technology Center
Colorado Springs, CO
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From: markm@bogart.cse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Date: 14 Mar 1994 23:25:39 GMT
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In article <1994Mar14.224825.322@rmtc.central.sun.com>,
Terry Bartlett wrote:
>In article <2m2h4t$86f@mizar.usc.edu>,
>Arne Adolfsen wrote:
>
>>Ones that actually kill?
>
>I'll see if I can get it into Solaris 2.5.
No doubt it will require upgrading to the Sun type-6 keyboard with
the electro-shock interface. I hear that there will be an
educational discount. Something about demand...
--mark
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From: bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett)
Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article <2m2rpj$c0g@reuter.cse.ogi.edu>,
Mark Morrissey wrote:
>In article <1994Mar14.224825.322@rmtc.central.sun.com>,
>Terry Bartlett wrote:
>>In article <2m2h4t$86f@mizar.usc.edu>,
>>Arne Adolfsen wrote:
>>>Ones that actually kill?
>>I'll see if I can get it into Solaris 2.5.
Well, this thread has fully mutated now. No doubt it will be around for
a long long time. And I'm not helping. . .
>No doubt it will require upgrading to the Sun type-6 keyboard with
>the electro-shock interface. I hear that there will be an
>educational discount. Something about demand...
Hey, how did you hear about they type-6 keyboard? That's not supposed
to be announced for quite a while yet. Since you've let the cat out of
the bag I suppose there's no harm in my telling you about its sub-ether
sense-o-matic wireless transmission technology, or its virtual imaging
key characteristics. The electro-shock interface was a vicious rumour
spread by HP. It kills by showing the user in relation to its Biiiiig
PINKness, thereby forcing him or her to realise how insignificant they
truly are.
Why is Sun doing this? Because *you*, the customer, demanded it. . .
But don't wait for the educational discount. Call now. Operators are
standing by.
ObMotss: me and Mark, sitting in a tree.
>--mark
Terry Bartlett bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Inc.
Rocky Mountain Technology Center
Colorado Springs, CO
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From: markm@bogart.cse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article <1994Mar15.001308.1893@rmtc.central.sun.com>,
Terry Bartlett wrote:
>
>ObMotss: me and Mark, sitting in a tree.
Now you've done it! I guess next time I come to the Springs
to visit my brother I will have tonot only spend time climbing
the red rocks, but trees as well.
what I do for my public!
--mark
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From: bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett)
Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article <2m2vto$dl3@reuter.cse.ogi.edu>,
Mark Morrissey wrote:
>In article <1994Mar15.001308.1893@rmtc.central.sun.com>,
>Terry Bartlett wrote:
>>ObMotss: me and Mark, sitting in a tree.
>Now you've done it! I guess next time I come to the Springs
>to visit my brother I will have tonot only spend time climbing
>the red rocks, but trees as well.
Yes, you will. Of course, you should have been here today. Sim has
been working overtime--75 degrees, and lots of sun. I rode my
mountain bike to work today, and at lunch rode over to the Garden of
the Gods to watch the bohunks climb the red rocks. And here it is,
6:20, and as I look out my office window the sun is just now setting
behind Pikes Peak. Ah, Spring!
I have a tree picked out for us, Mark. It's in front of Focus on the
Family, though.
> what I do for my public!
What would you do for your public? Next time I'm in Oregon I'll have
to come up to Portland to find out.
>--mark
Terry Bartlett bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Inc.
Rocky Mountain Technology Center
Colorado Springs, CO
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From: D Lewis
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Robert Hansen writes:
>I don't know who complained where, but I was asked to pull the Jesus
>quotation from my .sig file.
Oh no ... the first attempt to "censor" the Internet!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
D Lewis
..who would've raised hell if the local theater had cut the scene of Michael
J. Fox's bare butt in "Greedy"
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From: nfitch@ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch)
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Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article <1994Mar14.224825.322@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>,
bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) wrote:
> >> Agreed. Perhaps better kill files are called for.
>
> >Ones that actually kill?
[]
> I'll see if I can get it into Solaris 2.5.
See if you can get it into trn while you're at it. I'd be eternally
grateful.
______.__________________________________________________________
\ / There ain't no way to tell you fellas how it feels
\ / To sack and burn a city wearin' six-inch heels.
\/ -- John M. Ford, "How Much For Just The Planet?"
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From: broudy@mizar.usc.edu (David S. Broudy)
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In article <2m2lkc$rg5@news.doit.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> >>>> 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
> >>> is an automatic cancellation of the account."
>
> >Do they have a similar policy regarding staff and faculty?
...and has anyone been wondering if 1) some poor work-study is
monitoring every bit of news going outbound or if 2) some sort of
sinister 'bot is doing the dirty work....
shiver. does that include e-mail, too?
---------
broudy@mizar.usc.edu
"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
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From: shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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In article , Robert Hansen wrote:
>I don't know who complained where, but I was asked to pull the Jesus
>quotation from my .sig file.
>
>The quotation from Linda Ellerbee, "If I were Jesus I wouldn't want people
>believing I had Welchade for blood," was deemed too controversial. Some
>even suggested that since I work for a state institution, I should not be
>using quotations of a religious nature (separation of church and state, you
>know). While I find this line of reasoning a pile of hooey, I decided to
>pull the quotation because it was relatively new and I hadn't had time to
>become really attached to it. Rather than recycle an old quotation, I
>decided to become quote-less in my .sig for a while.
>
>Applications for new pithy quotes will be accepted soon.
Well don't try quotes about air combat, like
"Turn to kill, not to engage." LCDR Willie Driscoll
or
"There's no kill like a guns kill" LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa
"A kill is a kill" Anonymous US fighter pilot
or you'll get some new-age vegetarian complaining that your .sig isn't
life-affirming and you're a vile, cruel advocate of needless
suffering, with a copy sent to your admin demanding that such shocking
view be rigorously suppressed bacause they caused the poor vegetarian
psychic pain.
--
Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com
Some days it don't come easy/And some days it don't come hard
Some days it don't come at all/And these are the days that never end....
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
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In article D Lewis writes:
>Oh no ... the first attempt to "censor" the Internet!
Not hardly. Not by a long shot. But it's a lot more
complicated than you probably think.
--
Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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>> Moral : For every action there is a reaction
Unless you are an activist in which case, for every action there is an
equal and opposite criticism.
<> "Oh wow! I'm queer! Yippee!"
<> Revelation 10:19
Ciaran.
--
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Dist. Systems Group, Department of Computer Science, Trinity College,
\/ Dublin 2, Ireland. Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
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In article <2m3c9v$qpk@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU>
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article D Lewis writes:
>>Oh no ... the first attempt to "censor" the Internet!
>
>Not hardly. Not by a long shot. But it's a lot more
>complicated than you probably think.
>--
Sure is! Here at the good ol boy network, *.sex.* newsgroups are
not allowed. Something about a law suit concerning a state inst.
providing pornography. The old, we don't care if you read it, but
we are not in the business of providing it.
Sammie
'Then why do they allow those *.homosexual groups, they can get pretty
pornagraphic sometimes, and that is sick'
----Someone getting defensive about the censorship
of good clean heterosexual porn.
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In hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
>I don't know who complained where, but I was asked to pull the Jesus
>quotation from my .sig file.
>The quotation from Linda Ellerbee, "If I were Jesus I wouldn't want people
>believing I had Welchade for blood," was deemed too controversial. Some
Sysadmins can do what they want and no, alas, this was not the first
attempt to censor the Internet, or even the first successful attempt.
However, it does sound like the standards are "unconstitutionally vague,"
and beyond that, I'm sure the good folks over on alt.censorship would be
fascinated, and while I will not take the liberty to crosspost this
myself, that would be a good place for this entire discussion, actually.
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From: axb39@po.CWRU.Edu (Ann Burlingham)
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Subject: Sylvia Fan Club (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In a previous article, sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys) says:
>In article , hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
>>I don't know who complained where, but I was asked to pull the Jesus
>>quotation from my .sig file.
>>
>>The quotation from Linda Ellerbee, "If I were Jesus I wouldn't want people
>>believing I had Welchade for blood," was deemed too controversial.
>
>Oh, yeah. Back to Robert Hansen:
>
>>Applications for new pithy quotes will be accepted soon.
>
>See below.
>
>+-- Sylvia --------------------------- HUNGRY.BUTT@cvi.hahnemann.edu --+
> "Jesus loves you, but not enough to swallow."
I wouldn't have the temerity to suggest founding a Sylvia Fan Club at this
late date, when one must surely exist already; I will just ask, how do I
join? Do I get decals? A magazine? Abusive e-mail?
Debby Boone said it all for me:
You give me hope
To carry on
Cause
You
Light
Up
My-y-y
Life
*sniff* I love you, Sylvia!!
--
Ann Burlingham
Sears Library Case Western Reserve University It's alarming
x5200 10900 Euclid Avenue how charming
axb39@po.cwru.edu Cleveland, Ohio 44106 I feel
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
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Subject: Re: Sylvia Fan Club (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article <2m4vdo$q84@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> axb39@po.CWRU.Edu (Ann Burlingham) writes:
>Debby Boone said it all for me:
>You give me hope
[ ... ]
And Bette Midler says it for me when she sings
" ... you are the wind beneath my wings"
Sylvia has indeed accomplished a great deal in her short
time with us, not the least of which was riling up some
juvenile (8) scumbag (7) newbie (6) sysop (5).
Save you Sylvia articles and mail, folks. No telling what
they'll be worth in a few years.
--
Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen)
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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In article <2m25ep$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu (ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys) writes:
>>Applications for new pithy quotes will be accepted soon.
>See below.
>+-- Sylvia --------------------------- HUNGRY.BUTT@cvi.hahnemann.edu --+
> "Jesus loves you, but not enough to swallow."
Somehow I doubt Linda Ellerbee was the originator of that one.
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In article hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
>Applications for new pithy quotes will be accepted soon.
How about "I've got a boner with your name on it?"
[I heard this line Saturday night in the move "All Fucked Up," the
new film by Greg Araki (director of "The Living End.") It
sounded familiar, but I'm not sure where or if I heard
it before.]
--
Steven Levine
steven@cray.com
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From: mhr@atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
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bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:
|> Hey, how did you hear about they type-6 keyboard? That's not supposed
|> to be announced for quite a while yet. Since you've let the cat out of
|> the bag I suppose there's no harm in my telling you about its sub-ether
|> sense-o-matic wireless transmission technology, or its virtual imaging
|> key characteristics. The electro-shock interface was a vicious rumour
|> spread by HP.
Hey! 'Twarn't us. I'd look towards IBM or DG for the sources of those
rumors.
And I thought the new keyboards were supposed to enhance one's aura of
PINKness whenever one used the system, anyway.
|> It kills by showing the user in relation to its Biiiiig
|> PINKness, thereby forcing him or her to realise how insignificant they
|> truly are.
Ooops. Someone obviously fed me bad data. It's what I get for listening
to a DEC employee as a source of industry rumors.
|> Why is Sun doing this? Because *you*, the customer, demanded it. . .
|> But don't wait for the educational discount. Call now. Operators are
|> standing by.
What do we get if we call before midnight tonight?
|> ObMotss: me and Mark, sitting in a tree.
I'd say *anything* by Terry would satisfy an "ObMotss" -- at least, in my
book it would...
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#include |Ignorance is as much as a method of
B5/6 f+ t w+ cdv g+ k+v s+ l+ | computer security as Hope is a method
Reply to: mhr@hprc.atl.hp.com | of birth control. -- L Joynes/K Ward
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From: hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen)
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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In article <1994Mar15.084109.24977@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
>In article hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
>>Applications for new pithy quotes will be accepted soon.
>How about "I've got a boner with your name on it?"
>[I heard this line Saturday night in the move "All Fucked Up," the
>new film by Greg Araki (director of "The Living End.") It
>sounded familiar, but I'm not sure where or if I heard
>it before.]
Oh, I'm *sure* the folks here would just *adore* that one.
ObQuote: Craig Berkman, Republican candidate for Governor of Oregon, said of
Dr. John Kitzhaber, Democratic candidate (and practicing emergency room
physician), "some of his patients did not come out of that emergency room
alive." Berkman claimed the reference was directed at Kitzhaber's policies,
not actual patients.
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Too bad - I saw your quote and rofled - then turned
and read it to my Catholic lover - who also rofled.
Somebody, somewhere, is clearly missing a sense
of humor.
--
Deborah
loodgl@netcom.com/fauxhack@aol.com
"To love another person is to see the face of God..."
--- Herbert Kretzmer, "Les Miserables"
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From: tdbear@netcom.com (Tom Barrett)
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In article hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
>I don't know who complained where, but I was asked to pull the Jesus
>quotation from my .sig file.
I'm starting to get totally pissed at the internet newbies who are
coming in to straighten things out and establish their idea of "good
news" and moral decency. I think we should divide the whole damned
net!
BTW, that quote was quite funny...
Tom
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Do the right thing...
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From: tdbear@netcom.com (Tom Barrett)
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In article <2m3c9v$qpk@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article D Lewis writes:
>>Oh no ... the first attempt to "censor" the Internet!
>
>Not hardly. Not by a long shot. But it's a lot more
>complicated than you probably think.
One problem is that HR folks and the Legal folks at companies and (I'm
sure institutes/universities) have suddenly realized what the internet
is, what goes on out here, and exactly what messages come in on their
systems. Most companies technically are in violation of their policies
for having ANY harassing or sexually explicit messages on their
computer systems. I've already switched to an outside provider (Go
NETCOM!) to get around the damned new policies and net-taps, but I
predict that most of the non-tech news will go away from my site in the
next couple of years. My HR person looked totally shocked that people
actually disagree in the company newsgroups... I guess the first thing
that popped into her head was an harassment suit... I don't think she
grasped the idea that this medium is prone to misunderstandings and
flames and those are just all a part of the communications process.
Tom
--
Do the right thing...
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
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Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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In article tdbear@netcom.com (Tom Barrett) writes:
>One problem is that HR folks and the Legal folks at companies and (I'm
>sure institutes/universities) have suddenly realized what the internet
>is, what goes on out here, and exactly what messages come in on their
>systems. Most companies technically are in violation of their policies
>for having ANY harassing or sexually explicit messages on their
>computer systems.
[As an aside, it really bugs me when people confuse
the internet and usenet.]
The situation is going to vary a lot from site to site,
which can only confuse matters. For example, while most
universities and colleges these days have pretty stringent
policies against harassment, they also tend to be quite
defensive of free expression (ignore what the Limbots
say - they obviously have no first-hand experience with
higher education, anyway). Cornell tends to go overboard
on computer security issues (at the policy level, for
reasons you can well imagine) but grants a lot of latitude
to speech. Add to the mess that certain providers would
like to consider themselves common carriers, that some
of the countries on the net have different laws regarding
hate speech, pornography, and so on, and you have true
muddle.
Say, did I mention that the email address of bait-for-
brains' (15) news feed's technical contact is
tom@gate.net? If you choose to write him, be nice. It
can't be easy being in his position, and he almost
certainly didn't realize that Hung was going to dump email
to the net, read his users' private mail, or harass
long-time usenetters.
--
Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen)
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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In article loodgl@netcom.com (dgl) writes:
>Too bad - I saw your quote and rofled - then turned
>and read it to my Catholic lover - who also rofled.
No offense, but what is "rofled"?
Did you mean "Rolfed"? Were you and your lover massaging each other
while reading the newsgroup?
Or maybe you meant "rawlphed"? Did you and your lover vomit when you read
my quote?
Robert
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From: bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett)
Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article <2m57ts$534@hpscit.sc.hp.com>,
Mike Reaser wrote:
>bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:
>|> Hey, how did you hear about the type-6 keyboard? That's not supposed
>|> to be announced for quite a while yet. Since you've let the cat out of
>|> the bag I suppose there's no harm in my telling you about its sub-ether
>|> sense-o-matic wireless transmission technology, or its virtual imaging
>|> key characteristics. The electro-shock interface was a vicious rumour
>|> spread by HP.
>Hey! 'Twarn't us. I'd look towards IBM or DG for the sources of those
>rumors.
Nope, it had to be HP. The other two aren't Biiig enough in the field
to care about.
>Ooops. Someone obviously fed me bad data. It's what I get for listening
>to a DEC employee as a source of industry rumors.
Now, now, let's not have any DEC bashing. They're doing fine with that
all by themselves.
>|> Why is Sun doing this? Because *you*, the customer, demanded it. . .
>|> But don't wait for the educational discount. Call now. Operators are
>|> standing by.
>What do we get if we call before midnight tonight?
What do you get? Visualize Blonde Melinda(tm). . .now how much would you
pay?
>|> ObMotss: me and Mark, sitting in a tree.
>I'd say *anything* by Terry would satisfy an "ObMotss" -- at least, in my
>book it would...
There's room in the tree for you too, Mike. Come join us.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mike Reaser, Hewlett-Packard N. Amer. Response Center - Atlanta
>#include |Ignorance is as much as a method of
>B5/6 f+ t w+ cdv g+ k+v s+ l+ | computer security as Hope is a method
>Reply to: mhr@hprc.atl.hp.com | of birth control. -- L Joynes/K Ward
Terry Bartlett bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Inc.
Rocky Mountain Technology Center
Colorado Springs, CO
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
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In article <2m29j9$jlv@fitz.tc.cornell.edu>,
Melinda Shore wrote:
>In article <2m283c$pkl@wave.aoml.erl.gov> aberson@ocean.aoml.erl.gov writes:
>>In article <2m25ep$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
>>>> 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
>>> is an automatic cancellation of the account."
>
>Do they have a similar policy regarding staff and faculty?
It's worth noting here, in the aftermath, that the "Univ" referred to
in HUNG +'s original post was not Hahnemann University, but Columbia
University, through whose well-known NNTP server Sylvia made her
postings.
It seems better not to look at this from too many angles. It looks
more trumped-up from every one.
(Now that Joel Furr has threatened registered letters to the Amherst
College administration if I send him any e-mail whatsoever, can I
expect the Real Thing from HUNG +? I can't hardly wait!!)
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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
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Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Date: 16 Mar 1994 00:35:21 -0500
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In article <1994Mar14.224825.322@rmtc.central.sun.com>,
Terry Bartlett wrote:
>Well. . .it violates the spirit of what I was trying to do in this
>post. But why not? Whoever developes kill files that can actually
>kill will make a fortune.
It can be done, I'm told, but it requires a more robust fork() than
most systems offer. Besides, the driver software for the the cannon is
*quite* the weekend project.
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From: dbd@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney)
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) inquires:
>loodgl@netcom.com (dgl) writes:
>
>>Too bad - I saw your quote and rofled - then turned
>>and read it to my Catholic lover - who also rofled.
>
>No offense, but what is "rofled"?
>Did you mean "Rolfed"? Were you and your lover massaging each other
>while reading the newsgroup?
>Or maybe you meant "rawlphed"? Did you and your lover vomit when you read
>my quote?
I'd say it's past tense of ROFL; geez, just when we need Arnold to provide
a scholarly essay on how to conjugate acronyms, he's gone. Fooey.
Dave "will not decline food, usually" DeLaney
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David DeLaney: dbd@utkux.utcc.utk.edu; "A penny, a penny, twopence, a penny
and a half, and a halfpenny"; Disclaimer: IMHO; Thinking about this disclaimer__
may cause headaches, offense, brain seizure, or particle physics. VRbeableDJK \/
http://enigma.phys.utk.edu/~dbd for the net.legends FAQ + miniFAQs, or anon-ftp
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From: markm@bogart.cse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
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Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Date: 16 Mar 1994 06:40:03 GMT
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In article <2m65qp$2e9@amhux3.amherst.edu>,
Tim Pierce wrote:
[about fully functional kill files]
>It can be done, I'm told, but it requires a more robust fork() than
>most systems offer.
Strange, I heard that one only needed the gnu exec() call. You know,
the one you call by name rather than value.
--mark
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Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 07:02:38 GMT
In article <2m65hs$1rh@amhux3.amherst.edu>,
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> (Now that Joel Furr has threatened registered letters to the Amherst
> College administration if I send him any e-mail whatsoever, can I
> expect the Real Thing from HUNG +? I can't hardly wait!!)
You can always communicate by posting in each other's alt.fan group,
I guess. Now if I can just think of as simple a fix for Hung +,
it would be great.
--
Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/University of Toledo
gsmith@uoft02.utoledo.edu
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From: crd@netcom.com (Craig Dickson)
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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Robert Hansen wrote:
> In article loodgl@netcom.com (dgl) writes:
> >Too bad - I saw your quote and rofled - then turned
> >and read it to my Catholic lover - who also rofled.
> No offense, but what is "rofled"?
"Rofled" is the past tense of the verb "rofl", which in turn is an
acronym for "roll on [the] floor laughing". Good old-fashioned net
jargon.
Craig
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/----------------+-------------------------------------------------\
| Craig Dickson | So also the light that is absorbed. One absorbs |
| crd@netcom.com | little, and is called white and glistening; one |
| | absorbs all and is called black. |
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From: mhr@atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How the Net was won (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Date: 16 Mar 1994 15:56:01 GMT
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bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:
|> In article <2m57ts$534@hpscit.sc.hp.com>,
|> Mike Reaser wrote:
|> >Hey! 'Twarn't us. I'd look towards IBM or DG for the sources of those
|> >rumors.
|>
|> Nope, it had to be HP. The other two aren't Biiig enough in the field
|> to care about.
I thought we'd just gotten too big for our britches. I didn't realize
we were being granted b.a.-style biiigness.
Oooh, I'm just feeling tingly all over...
|> >Ooops. Someone obviously fed me bad data. It's what I get for listening
|> >to a DEC employee as a source of industry rumors.
|>
|> Now, now, let's not have any DEC bashing. They're doing fine with that
|> all by themselves.
A little self-flagellation with their coffee this morning? :-)
|> >What do we get if we call before midnight tonight?
|>
|> What do you get? Visualize Blonde Melinda(tm). . .now how much would you
|> pay?
Blonde Melinda? She's just...too... ...powerful...
...for... ...me...
...to...
...resist...
<>
|> >|> ObMotss: me and Mark, sitting in a tree.
|>
|> >I'd say *anything* by Terry would satisfy an "ObMotss" -- at least, in my
|> >book it would...
|>
|> There's room in the tree for you too, Mike. Come join us.
Awww...I'm blushing so much the top of my head is glowing. :-)
Omighawd -- my follicularly-challenged scalp is...is...PINK!
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Mike Reaser, Hewlett-Packard N. Amer. Response Center - Atlanta
#include |Ignorance is as much as a method of
B5/6 f+ t w+ cdv g+ k+v s+ l+ | computer security as Hope is a method
Reply to: mhr@hprc.atl.hp.com | of birth control. -- L Joynes/K Ward
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From: Mike G.
Subject: She'll be back! (was:I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article <2m50v1$85v@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU> Melinda Shore,
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu writes:
>Sylvia has indeed accomplished a great deal in her short
>time with us, not the least of which was riling up some
>juvenile (8) scumbag (7) newbie (6) sysop (5).
>
>Save you Sylvia articles and mail, folks. No telling what
>they'll be worth in a few years.
Alas, our net has (temporarily) lost one of it's strongest voices. I
wrote her her last e-mail message....she's gonna be back - somehow,
someday, somwhere....
*Life is change: how it differs from the rocks.*
- Jefferson Airplane
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From: inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig
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S>From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
S>Newsgroups: soc.motss
S>Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
S>Say, did I mention that the email address of bait-for-
S>brains' (15) news feed's technical contact is
S>tom@gate.net? If you choose to write him, be nice. It
S>can't be easy being in his position, and he almost
S>certainly didn't realize that Hung was going to dump email
S>to the net, read his users' private mail, or harass
S>long-time usenetters.
To all:
Cybergate is a very new Internet/Usenet provider. Adonis BBS is one of
their first UUCP clients. The error that started this whole mess occurred
at Cybergate, which is doing it's best to work out its bugs and growing
pains.
The posting error did *NOT* occur on Adonis BBS's facilities. I and
Adonis BBS have both been flamed for Cybergate's mistake.
At the risk of catching hell from my sysop, I will say this: I am very
upset that Sylvia lost her net access. I e-mailed Melinda to find out
how to contact Hahnemann myself, but she told me that Sylvia
specifically requested that we do not.
It was not at all in the best interests of this BBS for the sysop to
have taken his plan of action, IMHO. The only thing he accomplished is
to make Adonis users unwelcome on the net, thus reducing the value of
his board. [sorry, Roger, but that's the way I feel]
John
************************************************************ *********
* Real name is John Stanley; handle flaming not necessary! * *******
* inward.stroke@adusa.com j.stanley@genie.geis.com * *****
************************************************************ *
The opinions expressed are strictly my own.
* OLX 1.52 * We are all God's children--by a previous marriage
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Subject: Re: Sylvia Fan Club (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article <2m50v1$85v@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU>, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu
(Melinda Shore) wrote:
> Sylvia has indeed accomplished a great deal in her short
> time with us, not the least of which was riling up some
> juvenile (8) scumbag (7) newbie (6) sysop (5).
>
> Save you Sylvia articles and mail, folks. No telling what
> they'll be worth in a few years.
And so it is that the truth - nay, wisdom - that was the Queen
of the Damned's in awarding Aivlys "Best Mover and Shaker" has
come to be appreciated at all levels of motssopian society.
It is so very lonely being a genius. Though it pains me to
bear that cross, I do so content in the knowledge that the
average, little people of this world can go about their
ordinary lives untroubled by the heavy burdens We of Wisdom
carry upon our shoulders.
*X*
QotD
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From: tdbear@netcom.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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In article <2m5j89$c0d@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>[As an aside, it really bugs me when people confuse
>the internet and usenet.]
This is as interesting as the grammar and spelling discussions... and
I call most sodas Cokes, too.
Tom
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Do the right thing...
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolfsen)
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In article <9403170709362429@adusa.com>
inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE) writes:
> At the risk of catching hell from my sysop, I will say this: I am very
> upset that Sylvia lost her net access.
I'm pissed as hell about it.
> I e-mailed Melinda to find out
> how to contact Hahnemann myself, but she told me that Sylvia
> specifically requested that we do not.
Let me repeat that:
SYLVIA DOES NOT WANT US TO CONTACT HAHNEMANN ON HER BEHALF.
> It was not at all in the best interests of this BBS for the sysop to
> have taken his plan of action, IMHO. The only thing he accomplished is
> to make Adonis users unwelcome on the net, thus reducing the value of
> his board. [sorry, Roger, but that's the way I feel]
He certainly made himself unwelcome on the net. As for
his users, I tend to take people as they come, one by one.
You're doing fine and I'm sorry you were pulled into this
mess by your law-flouting (11) sysop.
Arne
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From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
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hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
[...]
>The quotation from Linda Ellerbee, "If I were Jesus I wouldn't want people
>believing I had Welchade for blood," was deemed too controversial.
[...]
By whom? Who does the Oregon Heath Sciences University authorize to
censor expression that is too "controversial" for a public forum? What
is the due process procedure? What kind of hearing is your material
given? How can you appeal?
I suspect that you are the victim of *unauthorized* censorship. If
OHSU is a state school, this censorship was likely illegal
(disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer). It is also an illegal if your school
contractually guarantees that all members of the university community
will be free of institutional censorship (as many do).
I'm enclosing an FAQ that focuses more on student speech, but some of
it applies to staff, too.
- Carl
=============== ftp.eff.org:pub/academic/faq/netnews.writing ===============
q: Should my university allow students to post to Netnews?
a: Yes. Free inquiry and free expression are an important part of a
university's mission. Most universities encourage and support student
expression and publication. Most universities also seem to give full
network access to all users, even students. (This conclusion is based
on an informal survey posted to comp.admin.policy in October, 1991.
[cafv01n33])
There is probably no need to create special rules for student computer
media; your university likely already has rules for student media.
(Look in your Student Code.) In the U.S., most student publications
are free of university screening, censorship, and most retaliation.
(For state universities, this is a legal requirement.) At the same
time, most universities disclaim responsibility for student
publications, even when the university "owns the presses."
- Carl
ANNOTATED REFERENCES
(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)
=================
statements/caf-statement
=================
* Computer and Academic Freedom Statement -- Draft
This is an attempt to codify the application of academic freedom to
academic computers. It reflects our seven months of on-line discussion
about computers and academic freedom. It covers free expression, due
process, privacy, and user participation.
Comments and suggestions are very welcome (especially when posted to
CAF-talk). All the documents referenced are available on-line.
(Critiqued).
=================
statements/caf-statement.critique
=================
* Computer and Academic Freedom Statement -- Draft -- Critique
This is a critique of an attempt to codify the application of academic
freedom to academic computers. It reflects our seven months of on-line
discussion about computers and academic freedom. It covers free
expression, due process, privacy, and user participation.
Additional comments and suggestions are very welcome (especially when
posted to CAF-talk). All the documents referenced are available
on-line.
=================
academic/student.freedoms.aaup
=================
* Student Freedoms (AAUP)
Joint Statement on Rights and Freedoms of Students -- This is the main
U.S. statement on student academic freedom.
=================
academic/speech-codes.aaup
=================
* Speech Codes (AAUP)
On Freedom of Expression and Campus Speech Codes Expression - An
official statement of the American Association of University
Professors (AAUP)
It says in part: "On a campus that is free and open, no idea can be
banned or forbidden. No viewpoint or message may be deemed so hateful
or disturbing that it may not be expressed."
=================
policies/netnews.uwm.edu
=================
* Edu -- U. of Wisconsin-Milwaukee -- Netnews
These are the network policy resolutions developed by the Computer
Policy Committee at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. The
resolutions were approved by the Committee and forwarded to the
Chancellor. They were given final approval by the Chancellor as campus
administrative policy (memo dated 02/23/93).
They say (to paraphrase) 1) Netnews is important 2) No restrictions
should be imposed without wide consultation 3) The principles of
intellectual freedom developed for university libraries apply to
Netnews material 4) The principles of intellectual freedom developed
for publication in traditional media apply to computer media.
=================
policies/netnews.uwo.ca
=================
* U. of Western Ontario -- Netnews policy
It says in part: "In its publications regarding Usenet, CCS should
make it clear that the individual user bears the primary
responsibility for the material that he or she chooses to send or
display on the network or on the University's computer systems." It
also specifies a procedure for dealing with challenges to material.
=================
news/cafv01n33
=================
[No annotation available.]
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faq/netnews.reading
=================
* Netnews -- Policies on What Users Read
q: Should my university remove (or restrict) Netnews newsgroups
because some people find them offensive? If it doesn't have the
resources to carry all newsgroups, how should newsgroups be selected?
a: Material should not be restricted just because it is offensive to
...
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faq/media.control
=================
* University Control of Media
q: Since freedom of the press belongs to those who own presses, a
public university can do anything it wants with the media that it
owns, right?
a: No. Like any organization, the U.S. government must work within its
...
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law/san-diego-committee-v-gov-bd
=================
* Expression -- Public Forum -- Overview -- San Diego Committee v. Gov Bd
Excerpts from San Diego Committee v. Governing Bd., 790 F.2d 1471. A
decision by an appellate court that applied the Supreme Court's Public
Forum Doctrine (to a school newspaper).
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law/stanley-v-magrath
=================
* Expression -- Public Forum -- Closing -- Stanley v. Magrath
Comments from _Public Schools Law: Teachers' and Students' Rights_ 2nd
Ed. by Martha M. McCarthy and Nelda H. Cambron-McCabe, published in
1987 by Allyn and Bacon, Inc. It says, in part, "[a]lthough school
boards are not obligated to support student papers, if a given
publication was originally created as a free speech forum, removal of
financial or other school board support can be construed as an
unlawful effort to stifle free expression." Also, "school
authorities cannot withdraw support from a student publication simply
because of displeasure with the content" and "the content of a
school-sponsored paper that is established as a medium for student
expression cannot be regulated more closely than a nonsponsored
paper". Also, it tells what to do about libel in student
publications.
=================
law/student-publications.misc
=================
* Expression -- Offensive -- Student Publications -- Misc
Quotes from the book _Law of the Student Press_ by the Student Press
Law Center (1985,1988). They say that four-letter words are protected
speech, that public universities are not likely to be liable for
publications that they for which they do not control the contents, and
that the _Hazelwood_ decision does not apply to universities.
=================
law/uwm-post-v-u-of-wisconsin
=================
* Expression -- Hate Speech -- UWM Post v. U Of Wisconsin
The full text of UWM POST v. U. of Wisconsin. This recent district
court ruling goes into detail about the difference between protected
offensive expression and illegal harassment. It even mentions email.
It concludes: "The founding fathers of this nation produced a
remarkable document in the Constitution but it was ratified only with
the promise of the Bill of Rights. The First Amendment is central to
our concept of freedom. The God-given "unalienable rights" that the
infant nation rallied to in the Declaration of Independence can be
preserved only if their application is rigorously analyzed.
The problems of bigotry and discrimination sought to be addressed here
are real and truly corrosive of the educational environment. But
freedom of speech is almost absolute in our land and the only
restriction the fighting words doctrine can abide is that based on the
fear of violent reaction. Content-based prohibitions such as that in
the UW Rule, however well intended, simply cannot survive the
screening which our Constitution demands."
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law/rust-v-sullivan
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* Expression -- Gag Rule -- Rust v. Sullivan
The decision and decent for the so-called abortion information gag
rule case. The decision explicitly mentions universities as a place
where free expression is so important that gag rules would not be
allowed.
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law/rav-v-st-paul.1
=================
* Expression -- Hate Speech -- RAV v. St Paul -- 1
The Supreme Court's _R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul_ decision about hate crimes.
The Court overturned St. Paul's Bias-Motivated Crime Ordinance, which
prohibits the display of a symbol which one knows or has reason to
know "arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others on the basis of
race, color, creed, religion or gender."
By 9-0, the Court said the law as overly broad. By 5-4, the Court said
that the law was also unfairly selective because it only tried to protect
some groups.
Included: summary, majority opinion, 3 concurring opinions.
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law/perry-v-perry
=================
* Expression -- Public Forum -- Campus Mail -- Perry v. Perry
Comments from the ACLU Handbook _The Rights of _Teachers_. It says
that campus mail systems (and other school facilities) can be limited
public forums. (Perry v. Perry was about an interschool mail system.
It was one of the cases that defined the Public Forum Doctrine.)
Also, a paraphrase from an ACLU handbook _The Rights of Teachers_. It
says that generally, speech, if otherwise shielded from punishment by
the First Amendment, does not lose that protection because its tone is
sharp.
Also, from p. 92, it says that there are legal limits to the oaths a
(public) school can ask its teachers to sign. [Some of these same
limits might apply to what a school can ask a user to sign as a
condition of getting (or keeping) a computer account.]
=================
law/broadrick-v-oklahoma
=================
* Expression -- Vague Regulation -- Broadrick v. Oklahoma, et al.
Summary of case law on overly vague regulation of expression. It says
a statute is unconstitutionally vague when "men of common intelligence
must necessarily guess at its meaning."
=================
law/naacp-v-button
=================
* Expression -- Overbroad Regulation -- NAACP v. Button, et al.
Summary of case law on overly broad regulation of expression. It says
"[b]ecause First Amendment freedoms need breathing space to survive,
government may regulate in the area only with narrow specificity."
=================
law/pd-of-chicago-v-mosley
=================
* Expression -- Content Regulation -- Police Department of Chicago v. Mosley
Summary of case law on content-based regulation of expression. It says
that "above all else, the First Amendment means that government has no
power to restrict expression because of its message, its ideas, its
subject matter, or its content."
=================
law/cohen-v-california.4
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* Expression -- Regulation of Tone -- Cohen v. California -- 4
A short quote from _Cohen v. California_: "We cannot sanction the view
that the constitution, while solicitous of the cognitive content of
individual speech, has little or no regard for that emotive function
which, practically speaking, may often be the more important element
of the overall message sought to be communicated."
=================
=================
If you have gopher, you can browse the CAF archive with the command
gopher gopher.eff.org
These document(s) are also available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
to ftp.eff.org (192.77.172.4), and then:
cd /pub/CAF/statements
get caf-statement
cd /pub/CAF/statements
get caf-statement.critique
cd /pub/CAF/academic
get student.freedoms.aaup
cd /pub/CAF/academic
get speech-codes.aaup
cd /pub/CAF/policies
get netnews.uwm.edu
cd /pub/CAF/policies
get netnews.uwo.ca
cd /pub/CAF/news
get cafv01n33
cd /pub/CAF/faq
get netnews.reading
cd /pub/CAF/faq
get media.control
cd /pub/CAF/law
get san-diego-committee-v-gov-bd
cd /pub/CAF/law
get stanley-v-magrath
cd /pub/CAF/law
get student-publications.misc
cd /pub/CAF/law
get uwm-post-v-u-of-wisconsin
cd /pub/CAF/law
get rust-v-sullivan
cd /pub/CAF/law
get rav-v-st-paul.1
cd /pub/CAF/law
get perry-v-perry
cd /pub/CAF/law
get broadrick-v-oklahoma
cd /pub/CAF/law
get naacp-v-button
cd /pub/CAF/law
get pd-of-chicago-v-mosley
cd /pub/CAF/law
get cohen-v-california.4
To get the file(s) by email, send email to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
Include the line(s):
connect ftp.eff.org
cd /pub/CAF/statements
get caf-statement
cd /pub/CAF/statements
get caf-statement.critique
cd /pub/CAF/academic
get student.freedoms.aaup
cd /pub/CAF/academic
get speech-codes.aaup
cd /pub/CAF/policies
get netnews.uwm.edu
cd /pub/CAF/policies
get netnews.uwo.ca
cd /pub/CAF/news
get cafv01n33
cd /pub/CAF/faq
get netnews.reading
cd /pub/CAF/faq
get media.control
cd /pub/CAF/law
get san-diego-committee-v-gov-bd
cd /pub/CAF/law
get stanley-v-magrath
cd /pub/CAF/law
get student-publications.misc
cd /pub/CAF/law
get uwm-post-v-u-of-wisconsin
cd /pub/CAF/law
get rust-v-sullivan
cd /pub/CAF/law
get rav-v-st-paul.1
cd /pub/CAF/law
get perry-v-perry
cd /pub/CAF/law
get broadrick-v-oklahoma
cd /pub/CAF/law
get naacp-v-button
cd /pub/CAF/law
get pd-of-chicago-v-mosley
cd /pub/CAF/law
get cohen-v-california.4
--
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
=kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
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From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie)
Subject: Re: [soc.motss] Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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>> From: MX%"rjm.adusa@adusa.com" 14-MAR-1994 11:55:58.69
>> Subj: Update
[...]
>> 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
> is an automatic cancellation of the account."
[...]
Warning to Columbia U. Students:
Do not write about the following files from the Computers and Academic
Freedom Archives. All these files are court decisions (or summaries).
All use the word "fuck":
ftp://ftp.eff.org/pub/CAF/law
cohen-v-california.2 ("Fuck You" on a jacket is protected speech.)
doe-v-u-of-michigan (Hate speech rules at state universities are illegal)
papish-v-u-of-missouri ("Motherfucker" in a state U. paper is protected)
uwm-post-v-u-of-wisconsin (Hate speech rules at state universities are illegal)
Also beware the U. of Illinois library computer catalog. It contains
several items with the word "fuck" in the title. Also, our school
paper is on-line. It contains many articles that use the word "fuck".
I suspect that your library and school paper may also contain
forbidden words. Be careful not to use them.
- Carl
--
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
= kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
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From: axb39@po.CWRU.Edu (Ann Burlingham)
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Subject: Re: Sylvia Fan Club (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In a previous article, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) says:
>
>It is so very lonely being a genius.
How so? You have Zak to share your burden now.
--
Ann Burlingham
Sears Library Case Western Reserve University Who is Sylvia?
x5200 10900 Euclid Avenue What is she,
axb39@po.cwru.edu Cleveland, Ohio 44106 that all men praise her?
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
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Subject: Usenet vs. Internet (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article ,
Tom Barrett wrote:
>In article <2m5j89$c0d@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>>[As an aside, it really bugs me when people confuse the internet and usenet.]
>This is as interesting as the grammar and spelling discussions... and
>I call most sodas Cokes, too.
Sigh.
There's an enormous logical difference between the Usenet and the
Internet, an important one that just might well save our asses some day.
The Internet is a relatively fast, easy to use real time network that
goes around the world. I can do all sorts of neat things over the
Internet: SMTP (mail), FTP, HTTP, netrek, etc etc. The Internet in
North America was at one time largely under the administration of the
National Science Foundation, and most .edu sites were members of the
Internet by the generosity of NSF. The Internet is changing, becoming
more commercial, and might well mutate into the "Information
Superhighway" jazz that people like to talk about.
The Usenet is an unstructured network now dedicated to one major
purpose - transferring news articles. This transfer can take place
over the Internet via NNTP, or over phone lines (typically UUCP), or
tin-can-and-string if you want to. No one controls the Usenet, there
is no ownership, no policy.
The difference is significant. In particular, the Usenet can exist (in
theory) without the Internet and the various laws and regulations it
requires. The Usenet is becoming increasingly dependent on the
Internet for existence (it's not easy to transmit 60 megs of news a
day via a modem), but the logical seperation *must* be maintained.
I probably got some facts wrong.
__ http://www.reed.edu/~nelson/
nelson@reed.edu \/ This is the time, and this is the record of the time
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From: markm@bogart.cse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Usenet vs. Internet (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Date: 17 Mar 1994 23:47:30 GMT
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In article <2malqp$b1u@scratchy.reed.edu>,
Nelson Minar wrote:
> The Internet in
>North America was at one time largely under the administration of the
>National Science Foundation, and most .edu sites were members of the
>Internet by the generosity of NSF.
So much for history, young'un.
Lest we forget the early days (yes, even pre-BBN)...
There are those who would claim that the first visible sign of
what is now called the Internet (big 'i') could be seen from
what was then called the ArpaNet. I'm a bit hazy, but some
people at Sperry Univac (yes, I was there when it was called
that, before it was Sperry Computer Systems Division, etc.)
called it DarpaNet, which I think was incorrect in that it
never had that name. If the few synapses I have left aren't
totally unreliable, there was a core research net before
ArpaNet as well.
btw: one of the things which came out of the muck and mire of the
early ArpaNet days was this thing called the Internet Protocol
Suite. As much as I enjoy using UDP/IP and friends, it has now
become clear that the protocol suite probably should have been
dumped on its ear in favor of circuit-based protocols or maybe
something similar to X.25 so that things like ATM would not be
such wonderous new beasts that break our networking paradigm.
--mark
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Usenet vs. Internet (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Date: 18 Mar 1994 00:53:13 GMT
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In article <2maq6i$54i@reuter.cse.ogi.edu>,
Mark Morrissey wrote:
>There are those who would claim that the first visible sign of
>what is now called the Internet (big 'i') could be seen from
>what was then called the ArpaNet.
Oh, sorry about that - that's sort of prehistory to me :-) How much of
the Internet was funded via ARPA/DARPA, and how much via NSF? Did it
change over time? I've never had to deal with DoD policies on the
Internet, just NSF.
Nelson, whose first reference he heard to arpanet was describing in in
the late 70s as a "big computer system that was being threatened
because 30% of its CPU time was being spent playing Conway's Life."
__ http://www.reed.edu/~nelson/
nelson@reed.edu \/ The sweetest pussycats have the sharpest claws
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
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Subject: Re: Usenet vs. Internet (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
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In article <2mau1p$gel@scratchy.reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Oh, sorry about that - that's sort of prehistory to me :-) How much of
>the Internet was funded via ARPA/DARPA, and how much via NSF? Did it
>change over time? I've never had to deal with DoD policies on the
>Internet, just NSF.
What internet? What are you talking about, precisely?
DARPA funded the Arpanet and the development of tcp/ip. I
expect there are old BBN'ers around here who can talk more
about that. When the NSF set up the big national
supercomputer centers in the mid-80s, they also funded a
high-speed backbone connecting the centers. The Arpanet
shut down a short time later. I was fortunate (??) enough
to have the experience of being at probably the only site
with both a Fuzzball and an IMP. We got the IMP just as
the Arpanet was being put out of its misery. As it
happens, Hung (ack, ptui) happened to call the remains of
the old NSFnet NOC in a really witless attempt to get me
thrown off the net. And now, as you know, the NSF is
trying to get out of the backbone business and there
are parallel, private backbones.
So, when you talk about the specifics of "the internet,"
it's really necessary to be very clear about what it is
you're discussing. "The internet" is just that - a whole
bunch of networks.
--
Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: balistik@nevada.edu (Shawn R. Hicks)
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Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig
Date: 17 Mar 1994 21:13:07 GMT
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inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE) writes:
>To all:
>
>Cybergate is a very new Internet/Usenet provider. Adonis BBS is one of
>their first UUCP clients. The error that started this whole mess occurred
>at Cybergate, which is doing it's best to work out its bugs and growing
>pains.
While it's not your job to make this correction, I appreciate you
doing so. Thankyou.
>At the risk of catching hell from my sysop, I will say this: I am very
>upset that Sylvia lost her net access.
This bothers me. Do you honestly feel you will get in trouble
with your sysadmin for disagreeing with him? Or, did you just
say this because it sounded good? Normally, I'd pass over such
stuff, but considering the current problems we are having with
your sysadmin, it's important you be clear on this.
>It was not at all in the best interests of this BBS for the sysop to
>have taken his plan of action, IMHO. The only thing he accomplished is
>to make Adonis users unwelcome on the net, thus reducing the value of
>his board. [sorry, Roger, but that's the way I feel]
Have you considered netcom.com? I hear good things from users.
None of them have apologized to their sysadmins for having
different opinions.
>John
It's good to see you haven't left, John. I'm sure Sylvia will
be happy to see you when she returns.
Shawn
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolfsen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig
Date: 17 Mar 1994 18:39:06 -0800
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In article <2mah53$ph4@post-office.nevada.edu>
balistik@nevada.edu (Shawn R. Hicks) writes:
> inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE) writes:
> >At the risk of catching hell from my sysop, I will say this: I am very
> >upset that Sylvia lost her net access.
> This bothers me. Do you honestly feel you will get in trouble
> with your sysadmin for disagreeing with him?
I can't believe you're asking this. HUNG + reads his
clients' e-mail, harasses people who disagree with him
by sending them unsolicited and threatening e-mail, and
then, as if that weren't enough, he contacts their places
of employment and demands 1) that their net access be
terminated, and 2) that they be fired. He succeeded with
the first, as we all know, and apparently came close to
succeeding with the second.
This is about more than just our Banished Goddess -- who
I fervently hope someday (sooner rather than later) returns
in another avatar -- and I hope no one thinks that I'm seeking
revenge for the appalling and intolerable things HUNG + did to
Her. Rather, what HUNG + did, and I assume still does, is
appalling and intolerable. Period. I absolutely do not want
him to get the impression that he can carry on this way, nor
do I want other fledgling tyrants from other BBSes to follow
his lead.
> Have you considered netcom.com? I hear good things from users.
> None of them have apologized to their sysadmins for having
> different opinions.
Ditto.
> It's good to see you haven't left, John. I'm sure Sylvia will
> be happy to see you when she returns.
I'm with Nelson on this. I miss Sylvia.
Arne
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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 03:03:29 GMT
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In article <9403170709362429@adusa.com>, INWARD STROKE (inward.stroke@adusa.com) writes:
>
>It was not at all in the best interests of this BBS for the sysop to
>have taken his plan of action, IMHO. The only thing he accomplished is
>to make Adonis users unwelcome on the net, thus reducing the value of
>his board. [sorry, Roger, but that's the way I feel]
^^^^^
!!!!!(5)
Uh-oh. *Now* you've gone and done it!
Johnny, we hardly knew ye.
--
Conrad Sabatier -- conrad@nola.win.net | "Melt the guns." -- XTC
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
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Subject: Re: Usenet vs. Internet (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Date: 18 Mar 1994 10:36:15 GMT
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In article <2mb036$gq3@fitz.tc.cornell.edu>,
Melinda Shore wrote:
>What internet? What are you talking about, precisely?
Uh, I guess I'm not exactly sure. When I think of the Internet, as a
programmer, I think of anywhere I can get a TCP/IP packet to. When I
think of it as an economic entity, though, I tend to think of the main
backbone, which the last time I understood it (too long ago) was paid
for and run by the NSF.
__ http://www.reed.edu/~nelson/
nelson@reed.edu \/ Nothing is true; everything is permitted
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From: markm@bogart.cse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
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Subject: Re: Usenet vs. Internet (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Date: 18 Mar 1994 17:41:03 GMT
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In article <2mc06v$83k@scratchy.reed.edu>,
Nelson Minar wrote:
>In article <2mb036$gq3@fitz.tc.cornell.edu>,
>Melinda Shore wrote:
>>What internet? What are you talking about, precisely?
>
>Uh, I guess I'm not exactly sure. When I think of the Internet, as a
>programmer, I think of anywhere I can get a TCP/IP packet to. When I
>think of it as an economic entity, though, I tend to think of the main
>backbone, which the last time I understood it (too long ago) was paid
>for and run by the NSF.
The "Internet" (big 'i') is a recognized "thing". It has *always* been
a collection of cooperating networks and has never been anything but that.
For a fairly simple and very brief history, I strongly suggest that
interested parties look at the preface and "history" sections of
the book _Internet Systems Handbook_, Dan Lynch and Marshall Rose, editors.
As far as the Internet (again, big 'i', a little 'i' is symbolic of
a corporate or other internet) being a friendly collection of cooperating
networks (which Melinda hasn't claimed, but others have), this has
never been the exact case. The Internet can more closely be characterised
as a large collection of networks which cooperate because it is in
their best interest but among which arguments (some quite nasty, btw)
break out and occasionally are resolved.
--mark
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From: balistik@nevada.edu (Shawn R. Hicks)
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Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig
Date: 18 Mar 1994 17:41:13 GMT
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adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolfsen) writes:
>balistik@nevada.edu (Shawn R. Hicks) writes:
>> inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE) writes:
>> >At the risk of catching hell from my sysop, I will say this: I am very
>> >upset that Sylvia lost her net access.
>> This bothers me. Do you honestly feel you will get in trouble
>> with your sysadmin for disagreeing with him?
>I can't believe you're asking this.
[HUNG.+'s rap sheet followed]
Why not? Sure, HUNG+ has proven he's a major jerk and probably
*will* make a fuss over Inward's statement, but the question
was does *HE* believe it. If so, the unasked question (which
he's answered) is why is he still there. Knowing what an
absolute bozoid(6) HUNG+ is, he chooses to stay and take the
abuse.
>> Have you considered netcom.com? I hear good things from users.
>> None of them have apologized to their sysadmins for having
>> different opinions.
>
>Ditto.
Ditto.
>> It's good to see you haven't left, John. I'm sure Sylvia will
>> be happy to see you when she returns.
>
>I'm with Nelson on this. I miss Sylvia.
Ditto again.
Shawn
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
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Subject: Re: Donald Davis, Hedonist
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In article <2lk5gg$hpg@news.acns.nwu.edu> ddavis@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Donald Davis) writes:
>Gene...good advice, truly, but I think I'll start at the left of the list
>and work to the right, if you don't mind.
Fab! Wire us when you get to "thinker."
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In article <105874@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>John Dorrance as even a *smurfy* Bear....
I don't see why not. After all, if there are hairy twinks
(as you well know, George), why is even the notion of a
lissome bear so unlikely?
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Donald Davis, Hedonist
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In article <2lknm9$n14@news.acns.nwu.edu> ddavis@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Donald Davis) writes:
>Sure, sure Melinda, whatever you say. Now I didn't want to publically
>embarrass you, but you are the one who wanted to be membership secretary,
>you volunteered quite enthusiastically...no one forced you. Not quit it
>with the on-line adulation, and get those membership applications out.
>There should be like 50 member in the Society for the Don Davis obssesed by
>the end of the week.
I just figured out how to tell Don from Zak. Zak's English
is better.
Which, of course, leads to the question of whether Mary
does clinical work.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
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Subject: Re: soc.bi/motss acrimony
Date: 9 Mar 1994 17:45:45 GMT
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In article <2lkrit$l9d@u.cc.utah.edu> bkm0482@u.cc.utah.edu (Brenda Mobley) writes:
>Are you arguing that straight people can tell gay and lesbian people
>and bi people apart, and then discriminate based on the labels we
>use? Most of them don't even care what we call ourselves. They'd
>much rather just call us all faggots.
In the interest of both clarity and accuracy, let's shove
the "most of them" and cleave unto "some of them," okay?
In fact, let's not talk about "straight people" at all.
Let's leave them out of this and stick to "bigots."
There are a lot of people around who spew "love the sinner,
hate the sin" rhetoric, and I think that's what was being
discussed. I'm skeptical when I see people say it, myself,
but undoubtedly there are some around who genuinely hold
this position. For those people, the question of
orientation is moot and the ability to tell the difference
between being gay/lesbian and being bisexual is
irrelevant.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clubbing in Ft.Worth
Date: 9 Mar 1994 18:49:22 GMT
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In article mike@gordian.com (Michael Thomas) writes:
>George Dalton Madison (Furr@cup.portal.com) wrote:
>> thaaang@spdcc.com (John Dorrance) cluelessizes:
>> >George Dalton Madison wrote: [to Greg Parkinson]
>> >>I'm going to turn this around on you: if you don't own a
>> >>Harley, and have no intention of owning a Harley, why are
>> >>you wearing a Harley-Davidson T-shirt?
> Gosh George, even little 'ol me can figure this
>one out: maybe Greg wants a *man* on a *Harley*.
I think it's a little deeper than that. Our culture (for
just about any value of "our") has mythologized and
elevated masculinity, and Big Dirty Bikers On Harleys is
one of the images used to articulate that myth, just as is
Cowboys In Dusters Who Squint A Lot. Even with my sort of
second-hand understanding of camp, I tend to view the
coopting of those images as a kind of camp play. You can
borrow those images for an evening and take them off when
you're done, and that's pretty neat. The joke's on
George, though, since he has the imagery confused with
reality.
Our weekly blizzard just blew in. Bleah.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: please subcribe
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In article <2lle79$75s@search01.news.aol.com> lldef@aol.com (LLDEF) writes:
>Melinda, you said (in the near future!) that many sites are refusing articles
>coming out of America Online. Could you be a little more specific as to *why*
>this is happening? I think it poses a serious problem if the "Internet" begins
>to boycott AOL, and the members and organizations that reside there.
I don't know that "many" are, but there definitely are
some, and there are more who are considering it. It's
been mentioned in passing in news.admin.misc.
My (informed) guess is that there's a certain amount of
hostility to the BBS-ization of Usenet, and AOL is one of
the biggest BBS-type system to come on board. We've
seen the results of having other BBS systems leap in here
in soc.motss. As I said earlier, I agree with Paul Wallich
that the problem is cultural, but still, these new systems
seem not to be taking the trouble to educate their users
and they appear to be doing a pretty crappy job of running
their own sites.
It would be great if we could start seeing postings coming
out of lldef.org and ngltf.org, but I'm ambivalent about
the notion of these groups putting staff time and money
into it when there's such an enormous amount of organizing
work that needs to be done. I think that they're going to
have to weigh the consequences of the various options. And
one consequence, it would seem, of doing electronic work
through AOL is that there's no genuine internet
connectivity *plus* some hostile usenet administrators
aren't going to pass along articles by AOL users.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: who sang this damned song
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In article nfitch@ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) writes:
>Knock - three - times
>On the ceiling if you waa-aant me
>Twice on the pipe
>If the answer is no-ooo-ooo
That should be "sync three times," you know. Don't ever
say that Unix has not contributed to contemporary culture.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: As daze go bi
Date: 10 Mar 1994 14:54:52 GMT
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In article hrpafm@pnv.palm.cri.nz (Andrew McNaughton) writes:
>Go for it, but first you've got to find one. Don't blink, cos anyone
>posting this sort of attitude on soc.bi gets flamed into silence or
>understanding pretty quick.
Not in my experience.
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Subject: Re: please subcribe
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In article <2lm799$b1g@panix2.panix.com> pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich) writes:
>This is not exactly accurate. While I hesitate to say whole lots
>about what I don't understand, there is a thing called an MX-record
>that lets you point internet mail for a registered site to whatever
>actual host(s) you please.
Sure, but I was talking about getting "our" organizations
off of AOL completely.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Time For A New Subject Line (was Re: So long (or: Fuck y'all))
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In article <1994Mar10.050631.16748@martha.utcc.utk.edu> dbd@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney) writes:
>Thanks for playing, Nick; Melinda, tell him what he's won, please?
[That should be "the lovely Melinda"]
You, Nick Fitch, have won 3 tons of barn board! That's
right, Nick - 3 tons of gracefully aged maple, oak, and
birch, with the original rusty nails still embedded and the
tar paper lining still stapled on! Imagine the
exclamations of awed wonder of your friends as gaze in
amazement at the graceful forms created by mangled chicken
wire interwoven among the sheets of tin roofing! All this,
Nick Fitch, is yours!!
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bad lesbian:(
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In article <2lm6o5$duj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> axb39@po.CWRU.Edu (Ann Burlingham) writes:
>Now, now, there are *no* _bad_ _lesbians_. Just lesbians who need to read,
>oh, _Coming Out Stories_ and _Sappho Was a Right-On Woman_.
Do lesbians just coming out these days read "Sappho Was A
Right-On Woman?" Is it still in print? I liked it a lot at
the time that I read it, but that was a long time ago and it
must seem really dated.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
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Subject: HRCF - What gives?
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[]
Yesterday I received a *really* annoying telephone call
from the Human Rights Campaign Fund. They're starting a
campaign to fight against some of the right-wing ballot
initiatives that are currently being pushed by the Radical
Right (sound familiar?), and they want money. The person I
spoke with asked for $1200. When I asked him if they were
in touch with the NGLTF FTR project, he said that he was
sure that the HRCF was working with groups at the local
level but couldn't name any (and never did answer my
question about the NGLTF). He became very, very defensive,
but I think that was more because of his inability to
answer any of my questions about what the HRCF was doing
and how I could differentiate them from the NGLTF than it
was because I was being antagonistic (I wasn't).
This is really important work and I'd love to be able to
support it (I have supported them in the past), but the
organization came off as a bunch of bozos. If they're
going to be asking for that much money, it seems to me that
the person who's doing the asking should be able to answer
a few basic questions. Does anyone know what the story is
with them?
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: who sang this damned song
Date: 10 Mar 1994 16:48:08 GMT
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In article megan.phillips@business.gatech.edu (Megan Phillips) writes:
>Rocky Top Tennesseee.
Hey, I like Rocky Top. I have only one word to say to you -
"Swangin"
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: self-identification (was Re: "TwinK" ExplaineD ?)
Date: 10 Mar 1994 16:52:35 GMT
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In article <2lnhvk$ik@hpscit.sc.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com writes:
>The American Homosexual is male, Caucasian, blond(e), muscular, hairless,
>has "the" perfect coiffure, and is totally blemish-less.
It sounds like you're starting to experience what women
have been talking about for years. But still, it's one
thing to be angry with the images and the accompanying
pressures and expectations, and a whole different thing to
be angry with individuals who actually do conform to those
"ideals." George's ability to make those sorts of
distinctions seems to have gone the way of his sense of
humor.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: HRCF - What gives?
Date: 10 Mar 1994 19:19:57 GMT
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In article <2lnnu0$gvu@panix.com> dhuppert@panix.com (Don Huppert) writes:
>For what it's worth, there was a meeting this past weekend (convened,
>I believe, by HRCF) for national leaders. The purpose of the
>meeting was to try and figure out ways to foster better inter-
>agency cooperation.
>It's long overdue.
I'll say. The HRCF looks to me to be a little too much
like a sloppy version of the NGLTF, and yesterday's telephone
call left me feeling that I was going to stop supporting
them at all. We (the glb civil rights movement) have such
scarce resources that the notion of redundant, non-
cooperating fight the right projects leaves me feeling
very uneasy.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Born Homosexual
Date: 10 Mar 1994 23:45:55 GMT
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In article <1994Mar10.214242.20783@slate.mines.colorado.edu> htran@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Harry Tran) writes:
>Sammie L. Foss (SLF@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU) wrote:
>: How many homosexuals can fit in a phone booth?
>Clothed or Nekkid?
And with or without Arne's nether member?
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Subject: Re: E-image help urgently sought
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In article <1994Mar10.184416.1@uoft02.utoledo.edu> gsmith@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>This fellow has been reading soc.motss "religiously" since 1988,
>and tells me that he has never seen or heard of me, and knows
>for a fact that I am neither a frequent nor a regular poster
>on soc.motss, as I claimed in my e-mail to be.
Ooooh - a stealth mathematician. Maybe it's time to
revive the Brahms Gang (but then, maybe not).
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. Anyone else?
Date: 11 Mar 1994 15:38:23 GMT
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In article <2lnbci$5qa@castor.hahnemann.edu> sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu writes:
[To the "sysop" (shudder) at adusa.com]
>I don't think your board can afford to lose too many users like him.
Probably not. I also exchanged email with Inward (we're on
a first-name basis, you know), who mischaracterized the
problem as a conflict between .edu and .com sites. He
actually *asked* for a copy of the old Emily Postnews. I
also mentioned to him that almost certainly there's a
better-run public access system with internet and usenet
connectivity, and he might want to consider switching. I
am having a hard time with the notion that these BBS systems
are not bothering to educate their users before unleashing
them on the rest of the net.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.bi/motss acrimony
Date: 11 Mar 1994 16:21:28 GMT
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In article <1994Mar11.155957.2709@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>I really wish Sylvia had let this issue drop; but since she seems
>intent on portraying me as being "obnoxious", "rather nasty" and
>"rabid", I think some defence of myself is in order.
I really don't understand this at all. Why do you think
this? Why do you care if Sylvia thinks you're an asshole?
Since you do care, why do you think that posting a lengthy
defense is going to make her stop?
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Subject: Re: Music with Queer Content
Date: 11 Mar 1994 16:24:54 GMT
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In article <2lq508$2rq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> axb39@po.CWRU.Edu (Ann Burlingham) writes:
>Running down the road
>Trying to loosen my load
>I've got *seven* women on my mind...
Names?
I got hit with one last night - the last thing I heard
before shutting off my engine was:
I'm a high-tech [uh uh] redneck [uh uh].
Mayberry [uh] meets Star Trek [uh]
...
Took *hours* to get rid of it.
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Subject: Re: Gerbils Up The Bunghole
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If anyone would like a copy of the netiquette guide, let
me know. It's just under 64K bytes and mails easily.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sierra software / rush limbaugh
Date: 11 Mar 1994 23:50:16 GMT
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In article mikep@sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
> To my reckoning, a hate-filled homophobe would _never_
> say harbored no bias against the lifestyle.
Here's someone who doesn't remember ******* ******. There
are a number of other glaring counterexamples right here on
Usenet, too.
BTW, if you want more evidence that Rush is a hate-filled
homophobe, see the issue of "Time" with Farrakhan on the
cover.
And before I forget, plase don't bother talking about "the"
lifestyle. There isn't "one."
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sierra software / rush limbaugh
Date: 12 Mar 1994 01:17:10 GMT
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In article mikep@sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
>what is '******* ******' ?
Cl*yt*n Cr*m*r [eeeeuw, I feel so dirty just typing that].
> I was only trying to correct a possible misunderstanding
> between Arnold and myself. What did he say in the article?
> What month/year? (I don't subscribe, so I may have to hunt
> around for it)
It's quite recent - the last week in February (dated the
28th? Not sure. I read it this morning at the Ford
dealership while they were doing something to keep my front
bumper from falling off).
> "the lifestyle" is what Limbaugh said... not me (I quoted
> him in the message Arnold refered to), besides, I imagine
> you know what he means by the term.... If I ever see him
> walking down the street, what should I suggest as an
> alternative term?
There is no other term. The thing that he or any other
random homohater is trying to talk about when they say
"the gay lifestyle" simply does not exist.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Shaken, Not Stirred (was Absolutes)
Date: 12 Mar 1994 01:19:25 GMT
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In article (\aliscafo/) writes:
>Why, when I go to a gay bar (wearing 505's, New Balance 998's, a white
>T-Shirt under a flannel shirt), do I get asked, "Are you gay?". Because of
>how I dress and how I act.
Big fucking deal.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sierra software / rush limbaugh
Date: 12 Mar 1994 12:41:33 GMT
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In article Rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>Do you
>think it is also acceptable if people raised in the South ridicule black
>people as a class?
Could we not perpetuate this stereotype, either? Some of
the nastiest racism I've seen was in the upper midwest.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
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Subject: Re: HRCF - What gives?
Date: 12 Mar 1994 13:10:46 GMT
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In article <35692@ursa.bear.com> halat@panther.bear.com (Jim Halat) writes:
>I would suggest you bring your problems to their [HRCF]
>attention. If they are doing good work, but have
>bad manners doing it, I'm not sure the trash can
>is the solution.
As it happens, last night the NGLTF called up asking
for money for the FTR campaign. The person I spoke with
talked in enormous detail about the NGLTF's work in
getting the Feds involved with what's going on in
Ovett, and the consequent task of getting glb issues
included in the mandate of the Justice Dept's community
dispute resolution branch. Did I give them money? You
bet.
Aside from the fact that the HRCF caller was defensive and
ignorant, when I look at what the HRCF has done I am not
impressed. There were so many problems with the way the
effort to lift the ban on glbs in the military was
conducted at the national level that it's hard to know
where to start. I have a little bit of a problem with
their form letter campaigns. And so on.
There's a need for mainstream glb organizations to do
lobbying and organizing at the national level, but I'm
concerned that, given a notable lack of resources, two
barely differentiated organizations vying for the same
bucks and doing redundant work is particularly ineffective.
It's unlikely that I'm going to support the HRCF in the
future.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Kirk, Madsen and Sternberg... and Browning
Date: 12 Mar 1994 13:15:21 GMT
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In article <2ls43d$3vh@nwfocus.wa.com> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
> I wish I wasn't queer anymore.
So stop.
You keep posting over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over that you chose to become bisexual.
Now choose not to be.
Bye!!
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
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Subject: Re: sierra software / rush limbaugh
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In article <2lsnoa$ok2@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>Quite right, though I would say that degrees of nasty are
>a distortion in the context of racism; it's all so ugly that
>whether it's "worse" in some region of the country is not
>really a useful point.
Absolutely, but I was thinking of specific instances that I
had personally witnessed. At any rate, equating
southerners with racists is neither useful nor necessarily
accurate.
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Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy. An
Date: 13 Mar 1994 16:09:54 GMT
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In article <2lu7cs$cq4@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu writes:
>Translation:
>Since this is barely literate, you might not understand the underlying
>threat.
Thanks! My years 'n years 'n years of education did
not provide me with the skills to parse much of this stuff
coming in off from the BBS systems. I hope those kids
from adusa.com don't cause you any problems, but I've got
to say that I think they're really funny. No wonder they
don't use their own names.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
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Subject: Re: sierra software / rush limbaugh
Date: 13 Mar 1994 16:14:49 GMT
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In article <2lur6h$5i5@news.delphi.com> jaxomste@news.delphi.com (JAXOMSTEVE@DELPHI.COM) writes:
[to Emily]
> Unfortunately you seem to hold your views to be the most correct
>in any and all situations. You say Zero Tolerance for any anti-gay
>remarks. Do you honestly think being extreme in that matter makes you any
>more right than Rush?
Under what circumstances do you consider anti-gay remarks to
be acceptable?
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Subject: Re: Clubbing in Ft.Worth
Date: 13 Mar 1994 16:55:17 GMT
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In article <106212@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>The word "dilletante" springs to mind.
That's right, George. Every singled damned time you
natter on about bikers and twinks and all that nonsense
that seems necessary to your identity.
>What shocks me most about this whole thread is that Greg doesn't
>even seem to be aware of what he's *doing*.
Good Lord, you're right! He's not AUTHORIZED to wear
H-D t-shirts, and he's doing it anyway! My GOD!! You
know, quite nearly every day I see representatives from
the local grange up on campus stopping students and saying
"I'm sorry son, but you're not authorized to wear that
barn coat. I'm afraid that I'm going to have to confiscate
it."
>Conceded, it's not
>entirely his fault -- Harley-Davidson itself has become a willing
>partner in the race to turn the "Biker Lifestyle" [which has
>roots and depth I'm just beginning to appreciate] into nothing more
>than a disposable fashion statement. I think this is repulsive.
Not to mention criminal. Lock him up! Lock him up, I
say!!
Get off it, George. There's something pathological about
your fixation on the trappings rather than the substance
and your need to castigate anyone not like you. If you're
butch, you're butch without your smelly clothes. If you're
a biker, you're a biker whether or not some willowy
effeminate (let alone Greg) is wearing a Harley-Davidson
t-shirt.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
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Subject: Re: Re(2): Gay Disease
Date: 13 Mar 1994 17:10:41 GMT
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In article <0004F6BE.fc@pop.com> BMcCarty@pop.com writes:
>So, isn't this wonderful! Someone who thinks that "phobia" is an area of speech
>not covered by the constitution? I guess "equal rights" in soc.motss are only
>one-directional.
>Hello????
Hello, indeed. Why don't you explain to us your understanding
of the First Amendment as applied to Usenet? Don't forget to
include a discussion of private property! And while you're at
it, a discussion of the function of subject-oriented newsgroups
and the role of the soc.motss charter would be appreciated.
Thanks!
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Re(2): Gay Disease
Date: 13 Mar 1994 20:41:32 GMT
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In article <0004F7F5.fc@pop.com> BMcCarty@pop.com writes:
>As to the first amendment, I don't recall hearing that the Supreme Court has
>exempted gays OR the Internet.
I've answered this in email. Suffice to say you are completely
misinformed.
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Subject: Re: please subcribe
Date: 13 Mar 1994 20:45:01 GMT
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In article <2lv63d$dil@search01.news.aol.com> leliosfire@aol.com (LeliosFire) writes:
>Is there some aint-AOL snobbery in the works here?
No, the reaction has been to the excruciatingly bad
behavior of a number of AOL users. See the news.admin.*
groups for further information.
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Subject: Re: please subcribe
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In article nfitch@ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) writes:
>The trouble with public home access systems like AOL is that some of the
>public are certifiably insane.
Like we aren't?
The one stunt that has lots of people's knickers in a twist
(although I don't know whether they're boxers or briefs) is
that the default subscription list provided by aol to their
users is in alphabetical order, and thus has one of the
computer folklore groups in the alt hierarchy as the first
thing the loser newbies see. The newsgroup has apparently
been overrun with aol-ers posting "Hey! Can anybody see
this?" and "Doofus, is that you? Isn't this cool?"
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Subject: Re: Irrelevant quotes as discourse
Date: 13 Mar 1994 23:51:25 GMT
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In article <2m07o8$rme@scratchy.reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Once, about two years ago, posting irrelevant quotes as a way to
>express displeasure at what someone was posting was somewhat clever.
>It seems awfully ineffectual when five people are doing it, over and
>over again.
It does, and I'd like to apologize for having participated
in it at one point (although I still think that randomizing
Peter Nelson's text was fun).
I think, in general, we're finding that effective tactics
often eventually wear thin and dull (I'm thinking of
boycotts and demonstrations), and that they generally need
to be replaced or supplemented. It seems to me that there
may be some that are good forever, like buycotts, but we've
got to realize that just because something works *now*
doesn't mean it will work forever.
As for Zak and Don, they're both tiresome simpering morons,
best ignored. I put them in my killfile last weekend and
have every reason to believe that if we ignore them they'll
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Subject: Re: Tales of the City question
Date: 14 Mar 1994 14:26:28 GMT
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In article <2m0eh5$9fh@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolfsen) writes:
>In article <2m09ns$na@agate.berkeley.edu>
>twagner@baobab.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Wagner) writes:
>> "Don't tell me you're a chicken queen."
>Don't people still use that term in Berkeley?
You mean they do still use it in LA? I hadn't heard it
in years.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the Rodents descend (was: Gerbils)
Date: 14 Mar 1994 14:34:48 GMT
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In article loodgl@netcom.com (dgl) writes:
>Amazing that people who know the sting of bigotry would
>be so eager to engage in same.
It's certainly not the fault of AOL subscribers that their
administrators apparently don't know what they're doing.
There's no question, though, that some really bad decisions
were made at AOL that are affecting other Usenet users and
and that there are so many people coming in from AOL that
it's hard to ignore the screw-ups.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: another amazing fact
Date: 14 Mar 1994 14:39:11 GMT
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In article <2m0ol4$set@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> David.T.Weinberg@Dartmouth.EDU (Dave) writes:
>they might be nicer, but your example doesn't say much abour being
>humaine
What an utterly bizarre extrapolation. It wouldn't
be hard to draw a similar conclusion about soc.motss,
based on the rat-killing thread, or the occasional
djk post here.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clubbing in Ft.Worth
Date: 14 Mar 1994 14:44:21 GMT
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In article <106364@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>I don't own a Harley yet, no. But I do resemble the popular media
>depiction of a "hardcore biker" to a sufficient degree to get
>treated like one by these clueless twits. Until you have some idea
>what you're talking about, perhaps you should listen and learn.
Gosh, George, it sounds like you're one of those yuppie
twits who's appropriating the image.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,news.admin.misc
Subject: Net.citizenship as explained by a BBS sysop
Date: 14 Mar 1994 17:08:18 GMT
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[ Some context for the folks in news.admin.misc: ADONIS
BBS recently joined the net, and proceeded to dump private
email (and I mean *private*) between their users into
soc.motss. My "editorial comment" is that whoever is
providing feeds to these BBS sites is doing a whole lot
more damage than good. ]
>From rjm.adusa@adusa.com Mon Mar 14 11:32:58 1994
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From: rjm.adusa@adusa.com (ADONIS BBS)
Subject: Internet messaging
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 11:32:58 GMT
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TO : shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Ms. Shore:
I am really amazed that a staff member of Cornell University, even a
programmer, would be so callous in her dealings with individuals on the
net. You and Sylvia really should know better.
I have this day spoken with authorities at Cornell and lodged a FORMAL
complaint as to the manner in which attacks are made on individuals and
the holier than thou attitude taken by you and others on a public system
while representing such a prestigious University. Its one thing to make
editorial comment or discuss relevant topics. But to simply entice,
chastize and dictate to individuals while demeaning them on a public net
is not accepatable. Why the viciousness, the venom, the hatred? And less
from a person in your postion.
Now I have spoken with the Cornell Internet account administrator,
they will review your postings recorded on their system. I have spoken
with Frank H.T Rhodes office, who has been appraised and will be
speaking with Dr. Norman Scott tomorrow,( as the Theory Center is
accountable to him), when he returns from Washington. Your assumption
that Im some kid is in error, and that your accountable for your
actions on the Internet is a fact.
No one, but no one has a right to act in the manner you have. And much
less a person that is a staff member of said institution. I trust you
will be still smiling at Sylvias commentaries after you speak with your
superiors!
Roger J. Mealey, Jr. aka Hung +
P.O. Box 3392
Palm Beach, Florida 33480
Fax 407 881 8095
Ph 407 881 0358
If you want still more. Test me, Im in no mood for your childish games.
Make more fun of my grammar, spelling.. At least I speak 5 languages
fluently. I get my point across, though it seems you folks could not
understand plain simple english.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as explained by a BBS sysop
Date: 14 Mar 1994 17:26:17 GMT
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In article <2m2636$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu writes:
>There you go. I must have done it. I don't know what it
>was, but I must have.
I know what I did. Yesterday I posted this response to
your earlier article describing being harassed by the
adusa.com "sysop":
| Thanks! My years 'n years 'n years of education did
| not provide me with the skills to parse much of this stuff
| coming in off from the BBS systems. I hope those kids
| from adusa.com don't cause you any problems, but I've got
| to say that I think they're really funny. No wonder they
| don't use their own names.
Awful, huh? No wonder he went to the President of Cornell
University.
>The barbarians are with us, not held back at the gate.
Amen.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ADONIS BBS gets testy
Date: 14 Mar 1994 17:41:32 GMT
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In article <2m267k$ojr@wave.aoml.erl.gov> aberson@ocean.aoml.erl.gov writes:
>You mentioned that his problem was the result of being someone "not
>necessarily in the big cities." That is not the case here.
While there may or may not be BBS-type systems with usenet
and/or internet access (hint to newbie wieners: they aren't
the same thing) in your region, there are national services,
such as Alternet, that have local dialups in a huge number
of cities. Including (gasp!) greater metropolitan Ithaca.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
Date: 14 Mar 1994 18:15:04 GMT
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In article <2m283c$pkl@wave.aoml.erl.gov> aberson@ocean.aoml.erl.gov writes:
>In article <2m25ep$nqu@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
>>> 4. They state "use of 4 letter words on Internet by Univ students
>> is an automatic cancellation of the account."
Do they have a similar policy regarding staff and faculty?
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tales of the City question
Date: 14 Mar 1994 19:12:09 GMT
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In article <2m2ch2$48o@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolfsen) writes:
>There's no telling what you won't hear when
>you live in the boonies and have nothing
>but horses and pesky pigeons to talk to.
Boy, that's the truth. If it weren't for Usenet I'd
*never* have found out that "groovy" is no longer
current.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as explained by a BBS sysop
Date: 14 Mar 1994 22:51:50 GMT
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In article <2m2d31$j8b@panix2.panix.com> pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich) writes:
>Now it occurs to me that adusa.com, as an email provider selling
>its services to the public, is subject to the Electronic Communications
>Privacy Act of 1986, which provides statutory civil penalties for the
>disclosure or interception of private email by system administrators.
>Far be it from me to suggest undermining the collegiality of the net
>by advocating judicial remedies (in the amount of $10,000 a pop, as
>I recall) for bad software configuration, but I suppose that other
>injured parties might feel otherwise.
Heh. But I still think that the injured party, who shows
every sign of wanting to be a good citizen and general fun
guy to be around, might be able to find a service provider
who won't dump his personal email to the net.
That still leaves open the question of what Hung's role
really is at Adonis, and whether he's authorized to act on
behalf of adusa.com.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clubbing in Ft.Worth
Date: 14 Mar 1994 22:54:59 GMT
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In article <2m2ele$o1t@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>I'm chuckling over the idea that you could arguably
>go at least little further -- toward tediousness and
>dullness -- by going to the outermost limit with
>*both* double-knit pantsuits *and* Jello at the
>same time, rather than each separately.
Maybe, but leave my Pop Tarts alone!
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sierra software / rush limbaugh
Date: 14 Mar 1994 23:00:38 GMT
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In article mikep@sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
> Would you agree that perhaps your question should be restated
> as "Under what circumstances do you consider anti-gay remarks
> to be _tolerable_?"
Six of one, really. But if you insist, can you cite specific
circumstances under which anti-gay remarks would be tolerable?
I can't think of a single one.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as explained by a BBS sysop
Date: 14 Mar 1994 23:22:03 GMT
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In article <2m2q67$1g4@panix2.panix.com> pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich) writes:
>As is appropriate for a site with neither direct internet access
>nor expertise in same, the technical contact listed for adusa.com
>is the same as the technical contact for their internet service
>provider.
I forwarded a copy of my mail from Hung and the article I
had written that Hung found so problematic, and when my
news administrator said that he hadn't heard from Hung I
wasn't sure what was going on. It turns out that someone
who failed to identify himself contacted the news
administrator for a completely different organization and
domain on campus and asked him to censor my posts, which
should be an indication of the level of sophistication
we're dealing with here.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
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In article D Lewis writes:
>Oh no ... the first attempt to "censor" the Internet!
Not hardly. Not by a long shot. But it's a lot more
complicated than you probably think.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: America Online (was Re: Whealton's humpy ass (was Re: THE GA
Date: 15 Mar 1994 15:15:14 GMT
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In article LelioRisen writes:
>But when the kinks are out, the AOL Internet gateway will be a killer.
That's what we're anticipating. Usenet, RIP.
>As far
>astheir alleged homophobia...
I don't think anyone has alleged homophobia. I certainly
haven't, but I still am nauseated by the appearance of AOL
and the smaller BBS systems on Usenet.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for February 1994
Date: 15 Mar 1994 17:56:25 GMT
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In article hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
>I've come full circle in just one year, it seems. I fell off all the
>superlative lists. The pressure is off now. I feel better. No more
>performance anxiety...
You might not feel performance anxiety if you'd stop thinking
of it as a superlatives list. Post if you feel like it, don't
if you don't, and stop worrying about those stupid numbers.
My editorial comment is that I'm especially rueing the
possibility that those ignorant (8) dimwits (7) from
those shabbily-run (12) BBS systems discover that it's
considered some kind of achievement to make the list.
Barf (4!!!).
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sylvia Fan Club (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Date: 15 Mar 1994 19:06:09 GMT
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In article <2m4vdo$q84@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> axb39@po.CWRU.Edu (Ann Burlingham) writes:
>Debby Boone said it all for me:
>You give me hope
[ ... ]
And Bette Midler says it for me when she sings
" ... you are the wind beneath my wings"
Sylvia has indeed accomplished a great deal in her short
time with us, not the least of which was riling up some
juvenile (8) scumbag (7) newbie (6) sysop (5).
Save you Sylvia articles and mail, folks. No telling what
they'll be worth in a few years.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: _POOF!_
Date: 15 Mar 1994 19:12:55 GMT
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In article <2m4vit$nbg@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu writes:
>My last posting to soc.motss from my current e-access.
My editorial comment on this is that that horse's excrement (17)
from Florida owes you and Hahnemann a biiig apology for wasting
your time, and I must say that I'm really surprised that your
administrative types are buckling so easily to what is clearly
cheap bullying by some tiresome (8) ignoramus (9).
Of course, my other editorial comment is that said ignoramus (9)
owes Inward a BIIIG apology, and he better do it before he gets
his buttocks (8) dragged into court.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: _POOF!_
Date: 15 Mar 1994 19:56:10 GMT
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In article <2m52oh$efl@reuter.cse.ogi.edu> markm@bogart.cse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>Perhaps I do not fully understand, but from the public discourse,
>the results do not fit with any mode of reasonable action by
>any institution, public or private.
I don't understand why Hahnemann caved, either, but I'd
guess that the circumstances surrounding that particular
account are rather unusual. When I was a news administrator
at Chicago, PSC, and the National Cancer Institute ASCL,
I used to blow off guys like that, and in my experience
other admins do, too.
I might add that when I forwarded Hung's complaint along
with my "offending" article along to my news administrator,
he said that he didn't see a problem with it. Also, the
fellow from the CIT Network Management Center who received
the complaint from the unidentified guy in Florida said
that even though he has no jurisdiction over here he was
curious as to what the fuss was about, went through my
recent postings to soc.motss, and found nothing problematic.
If that sanctimonious (13) cow flop (8) from Florida
chooses to continue to push this with Cornell, I do intend
to fight him. While I believe that the Theory Center would
have the right to terminate my posting privileges should
they choose to do so, I haven't given them any reason. I
haven't committed a crime, nor have I violated netiquette.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as explained by a BBS sysop
Date: 15 Mar 1994 21:19:13 GMT
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In article <2m57uq$gm6@panix.com> dhuppert@panix.com (Don Huppert) writes:
>In keeping with the title of this thread, I felt I should post the
>following letter that I received this afternoon. Hopefully, this is the
>first and last time I ever post my private email.
[ ... deletia ... ]
While there's clearly *so* much incorrect in that pile of
illiterate (10) drivel (6) that one wouldn't know where to
start, I'll point out something that may not be as obvious
as that that [editorial comment ->] apparently underqualified
sysop (5) doesn't know the difference between usenet and
the internet: I never received mail from him asking me to
desist prior to receiving notice that he had contacted
Cornell.
C'mon, Hung, there's a right way to do things and a wrong
way to do things, as you've (apparently - who can tell?)
stated.
>Guard that free speech, folks!
Yup.
Wait - would contacting Hung's feed to let them know that
adusa dumped a bunch of private email onto the net and that
their sysop (5) is harassing usenetters be a threat to
Hung's freedom of speech? I don't think so, but that's
only my informed opinion.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as explained by a BBS sysop
Date: 15 Mar 1994 21:32:23 GMT
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In article <2m594e$nbg@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> sylvia@cvi.hahnemann.edu writes:
>I will have no more access after 5 PM today.
I sincerely hope that someone will be able to provide
Sylvia with an account.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...
Date: 16 Mar 1994 00:18:17 GMT
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In article tdbear@netcom.com (Tom Barrett) writes:
>One problem is that HR folks and the Legal folks at companies and (I'm
>sure institutes/universities) have suddenly realized what the internet
>is, what goes on out here, and exactly what messages come in on their
>systems. Most companies technically are in violation of their policies
>for having ANY harassing or sexually explicit messages on their
>computer systems.
[As an aside, it really bugs me when people confuse
the internet and usenet.]
The situation is going to vary a lot from site to site,
which can only confuse matters. For example, while most
universities and colleges these days have pretty stringent
policies against harassment, they also tend to be quite
defensive of free expression (ignore what the Limbots
say - they obviously have no first-hand experience with
higher education, anyway). Cornell tends to go overboard
on computer security issues (at the policy level, for
reasons you can well imagine) but grants a lot of latitude
to speech. Add to the mess that certain providers would
like to consider themselves common carriers, that some
of the countries on the net have different laws regarding
hate speech, pornography, and so on, and you have true
muddle.
Say, did I mention that the email address of bait-for-
brains' (15) news feed's technical contact is
tom@gate.net? If you choose to write him, be nice. It
can't be easy being in his position, and he almost
certainly didn't realize that Hung was going to dump email
to the net, read his users' private mail, or harass
long-time usenetters.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: America Online (was Re: Whealton's humpy ass (was Re: THE GA
Date: 16 Mar 1994 00:30:02 GMT
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In article LelioRisen writes:
>Why on Earth would a larger mix of gays nauseate you?
It's not the "gays," it's the AOL-ers and BBS types, regardless
of sexual orientation.
Be that as it may, there's currently over 100,000 people
reading soc.motss, and, especially given the history of the
newsgroup over the past 11 years (10 of which I've been
here, myself), I'd be very surprised if the BBS systems
have anything to contribute not already available (other
than stupid user-ids).
In fact, popular opinion seems to be running that the
recent appearance of AOL and the BBS systems on Usenet has
already done more harm than good. Admins in the news.*
groups have been complaining about Delphi and AOL for
months, and some illiterate (10) newbie (6) sysop (5) has
already gotten one motsser's account terminated. I
certainly hope that it turns out to be worth the cost,
because the early evidence is that what used to be usenet
is being trashed before our eyes.
Yosemite redux.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: _POOF!_
Date: 16 Mar 1994 11:24:03 GMT
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In article <1994Mar15.224501.1@uoft02.utoledo.edu> gsmith@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>Help him do what--get more of us kicked off the net?
I doubt if he'll get more of us kicked off the net. He
got lucky with Sylvia, but if you really think that most news
administrators are going to terminate a poster's net access
because of a complaint from one illiterate (10) BBS (3)
sysop (5), I think you're almost certainly wrong.
I'm not saying that this schmuck (7) isn't a problem. He
is, obviously, for his users as well as for us. I think
whoever is providing him his feed needs to help this bozo
(4!!!) become better acculturated and a better citizen,
because as sure as it just started snowing again in Ithaca,
more assholes are on the way and we're not going to be
able to get rid of them all.
Although this unfortunate pile of decaying rat poop (37)
does seem to be special in his rather flagrant violation of
the law at his user's expense.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Re(2): America Online
Date: 16 Mar 1994 11:30:12 GMT
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In article <000517AD.fc@pop.com> BMcCarty@pop.com writes:
>Sounds like elitism to me.
Some problems are easy to fix:
/^From:.*pop\.com/h:j
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: DPN on-line? Whaddaya think?
Date: 16 Mar 1994 11:33:49 GMT
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In article modbob@netcom.com (Robert Emery Smith) writes:
>We here at Diseased Pariah News have been observing the growth of the
>GlobalInformationDataSuperHighwayInfrastructure with interest, being
>technonerds at heart (and other places as well), and it occurs to us that
>one way that we might participate in this Grand And Excellent Undertaking
>by making portions of DPN available on-line.
I think that would be wonderful. A couple of other venues
[hey, Hung!] to consider might be the Queer Resources
Directory and the Electronic Newsstand.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: _POOF!_
Date: 16 Mar 1994 14:50:50 GMT
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In article <2m71ju$72h@news.doit.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>Sitting here being Terribly Annoyed isn't going to do
>*anything* for us.
[This is really long, for which I apologize in advance]
I'm not sure about that. Being Terribly Annoyed encouraged
me to think about this thing from within a historical
context, which at least helped me understand *why* I'm a
lot more Terribly Annoyed than you seem to be (aside from
the obvious probability that I give my inner hateful
shrieking bitch a lot more play than you do yours).
In 1984 one of my coworkers came running into my office and
said "you *have* to see this." He dragged me over to his
terminal and we started plowing through what I later came
to understand was the news spool. A few days later he put
up the standard user interfaces (readnews and vn), and my
usenet career was off and running.
I had been using a number of BBS systems around Chicago
at that time, including Ward Christianson's seminal system,
and while I really didn't like them much at least it was
something. I wrote my first computer program at age 6
(1962, to give you some sense of where the technology was
at the time) and most of my computing experience had involved
punch cards or interactive Basic systems. CP/M seemed like
a great leap forward to me, but when we got our first Unix
system I knew that I had found something really beautiful.
And when I started reading Usenet, I found that there were
a lot of people out there who also thought that this was
really beautiful.
In 1984, Usenet consisted of a fairly large number of
computers calling one another up on the telephone and
dumping files at each other using UUCP. It was something
that tended to be done by technologists with minimal
involvement by management because it was something that
technologists *loved*. Indeed, it was something that we
tended to conceal from our managers. I'd say that at that
time the average usenetter was a Unix hack with a source
license, a sense of humor, and an anarchic streak.
Disciplinary problems tended to be handled discreetly, and
if one site repeatedly violated netiquette they lost their
feed.
The total traffic was well under 1M/day, and the way that I
discovered soc.motss was by reading every newsgroup, not a
particularly daunting process even with the rather
primitive newsreaders available then. Steve Dyer was
certainly around, as well as Wendy Thrash and a few other
Pyramid folk. It was a *complete* revelation. It was the
first time I had ever heard a gay person say to a phobe "I
do not have to explain myself to you - fuck off." I can't
tell you what it meant to me at the time. In those early
years I learned a *huge* amount about identity and
community from people like Steve and Clay Bond and Wendy
Thrash and countless others, and I'll always owe them a
debt of gratitude.
Around 1987 or so things began to change a lot. As binary
Unix licenses became more generally available and as
companies like Sun and Dec started selling a lot of
workstations, the number of people on the net started to
increase precipitously. NNTP came along and dramatically
sped up the process of shipping news while equally
dramatically lowering the cost. The backbone cabal went
the way of the backbone, needless to say, and the great
reorg took place. I would argue that binary Unix licenses
changed the nature of the net in a similar but less
dramatic manner that the BBS-ization of it that we're now
seeing is going to.
It was also around this time that I started moving around a
lot. I've certainly written before about how soc.motss
provided a stable community for me that was always in the
same place no matter where I was. That the people in the
community were educated, clever, thoughtful, playful, and
truly, truly funny pretty much clinched it - this was *my*
community.
So, we're now going through another big shift. Usenet used
to run as well as it did because we were a small community
of people who shared basic technical values, and as a
result the self-policing and the loose, soft anarchy worked
well. When the influx of nontechnical people happened in
the late '80s it caused a population explosion, which
required technical solutions, but there was no paradigm
clash. I think this was largely because the news
administrators tended to be Unix admins, people you'd see
in technical newsgroups or at Usenix or in other
culture-reinforcing contexts. The appearance of
unacculturated sysops who are used to (indeed, demand)
centralized authority simply doesn't mesh with the net
paradigm, and is not something that can be solved through
technical means.
A lot has been written about how the creation of national
parks has destroyed the beauty of these extraordinary wild
places, and I think that the same thing is happening here.
I believe that we have to jealously guard the distributed,
anarchic nature of usenet in order to preserve its value.
That obviously doesn't mean that it shouldn't continue to
grow, but it seems obvious to me that it would be a
terrible shame if its essential nature were corrupted by
the imposition of a model that simply doesn't fit and that
I don't think many of us want. Panix.com good, adusa.com
bad.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for February 1994
Date: 16 Mar 1994 16:56:53 GMT
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In article <2m7c4t$63c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> axb39@po.CWRU.Edu (Ann Burlingham) writes:
>How *else* does one organise spices?
By color, of course.
I actually don't organize my spices. In fact, I don't
organize much of anything, anymore. Maybe it's the weather
or something, but rummaging around gives me more pleasure
these days than does imposing unnatural structures. The
downside is that the only way I'm going to get my home office
cleaned out is with a chain saw, weed whacker, and lawn
vacuum.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Fable of Sahkmotz
Date: 16 Mar 1994 17:20:22 GMT
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In article <9403161029302198@adusa.com> key.west@adusa.com (KEY WEST) writes:
>And the old residents learned that their special form of self
>government was really an illusion. Free speech is easy when there are
>no heretics, political diversity is not painful when the diversity is
>across a microcosm.
Wow. You *clearly* have no idea of the history of the
group.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as ex
Date: 16 Mar 1994 17:27:22 GMT
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In article <9403161029302200@adusa.com> adonis.bbs@adusa.com (ADONIS BBS) writes:
>We would rather your postings speak for themselves .
>Taking PVT E MAIL public while violating the ethics of protocol you so
>loudly proclaim simply to elicit sympathy is in keeping with your double
>standards. It only serves to point out the obvious. Does the BST
>incident ring a bell?
No, it doesn't, at least not related to anything I've
done. Why, were you the asshole (7) responsible for
getting that National Agricultural Library employee fired?
At any rate, mail belongs to the recipient, and I always
post harassing mail that I receive. If you really cared
about ethics, you would have contacted me about my posts
prior to complaining to some poor beleaguered network
administrator over at Cornell Information Technologies.
And if you really cared about the privacy of email, you
wouldn't have dumped your user's mail into soc.motss or
read the contents of his mail on your BBS.
At any rate, you clearly have no idea what you're doing
nor how to function as a site administrator. If you really
want to push this forward, go right ahead.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for February 1994
Date: 16 Mar 1994 18:09:21 GMT
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In article robin_goldstone@macgate.csuchico.edu (Robin, Girl Wonder) writes:
>Records? What are records?
Yikes. This must be my week to feel *really* old. I own
several hundred LPs and a few 45s, about 100 cassettes, and
5 cds, one of which actually contains a filesystem, not
music.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as ex
Date: 16 Mar 1994 21:11:08 GMT
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In article <2m7pcd$k@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dbrasher@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dale E Brashers) writes:
>In article <9403161029302200@adusa.com>, ADONIS BBS wrote:
>>Does the BST incident ring a bell?
>No.
I'm having trouble placing this too, but I'm wondering if
it's related to something that we should all consider to be
a cautionary tale:
In February I was involved in some discussions about the
FDA's approval of BST (Bovine Somatotropin, AKA "Bovine
Growth Hormone") over in sci.agriculture. My postings were
uncharacteristically moderate, containing little other than
information about which ag and humane groups were opposed
to the FDA decision, the recent federal costs to support
farmers through the current milk glut, the number of cows
slaughtered to slow down the overproduction of milk, and so
on. I received a *lot* of email about it (farmers are very
upset), an invitation to join a sustainable agriculture
seminar, and a few telephone calls, too.
One telephone call was from an extension agent in a nearby
county. He was concerned about my job safety. The whole
BST thing has become highly politicized, and because the
stuff was developed here at Cornell and because Cornell
licensed it to Monsanto, the institutional word from
Cornell has been very positive about the use of BST.
Apparently sci.agriculture is gatewayed into one of the ag
mailing lists out of North Carolina, which is where this
fellow saw my post. He said that earlier that week,
someone from the National Agricultural Library had posted a
bibliography of research results from BST tests that raised
some questions about BST's safety. The following day there
was a post from the director of the library apologizing
for the bibliography and letting the mailing list subscribers
know that the person who posted the bibliography *no longer
worked for the National Agricultural Library*.
So when you see nonsense like we've recently seen from that
pathetic wad of sheep dip (25) in Florida, it is completely
appropriate to worry that the right to free expression is
under attack. I continue to believe that admins have the
right to enable and disable their users as is consistent
with institutional policy, but it's incumbent on those
trying to shut us up to demonstrate that a violation of
that policy has taken place.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as ex
Date: 16 Mar 1994 21:26:03 GMT
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In article <2m7q8r$c70@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolfsen) writes:
>Is it possible that hung+'s
>faulty (6) software doesn't allow him to cancel postings?
Possible but unlikely. Besides, any competent admin knows
how to put together a cancel message from within news
posting software.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: _POOF!_
Date: 16 Mar 1994 22:45:33 GMT
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In article <2m7upf$8bv@scratchy.reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Thanks for the explanation of "the way it was", Melinda. I first heard
>of the Usenet in 1988, but didn't really become a participant until
>the end of 1989, so a lot of what I know about the history of the net
>is through folklore. (Speaking of which, someone really ought to write
>a good book, a history of the Usenet culture. It would be valuable.)
"Life with Unix" (Libes & Ressler) sort of comes at it
from the opposite direction - Unix as seen through the
eyes of a couple of guys who spend too much time on the
net. Also, Peter Salus's history of Unix is going to
be published this spring, and while it's not going to be
about the net itself, Peter is a past director of Usenix
and the book is almost certain to have a slant towards
Usenix/Usenet culture (yes, I think the two are very
close).
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sierra software / rush limbaugh
Date: 16 Mar 1994 23:30:14 GMT
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In article mikep@sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
> (which is to say, anyone with an unresonable/unreasoned fear of
> homosexuality.)
What's a reasonable fear of homosexuality?
Geeze.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Disease)
Date: 17 Mar 1994 03:11:53 GMT
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In article <00052834.fc@pop.com> BMcCarty@pop.com writes:
>Sorry, but most software is moving away from non-standard Usenet quoting, etc.
>as it is not compatible with the computers now in use.
What does *that* mean? Are you trying to say that it's
moving *towards* non-standard Usenet quoting? Do the
letters "RFC" mean anything to you?
>It's all leftover IBM/Unix crapola.
Bwaahahahaha. Apparently it's not only AIDS that he knows
nothing about.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sierra software / rush limbaugh
Date: 17 Mar 1994 03:18:21 GMT
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In article mikep@sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
>Melinda Shore (shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu) wrote:
>: What's a reasonable fear of homosexuality?
> I'm not aware of any.... the definition was borrowed from
> basically any 'phobia'.
Well, duh. I think any anti-gay sentiment is fundamentally
irrational, and "phobic" describes it perfectly.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: America Online (was Re: Whealton's humpy ass (was Re: THE GA
Date: 17 Mar 1994 14:22:01 GMT
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In article <5mxOAY5.leliorisen@delphi.com> LelioRisen writes:
>Doug Sewell writes:
>>'course, I don't think much more of Delpi, either.
>Pretty boorish response. Who cares what you think about Delphi? Talk about
>pretense!
I care what Doug thinks about Delphi, just as I care what
Greg thinks about AOL. These are voices I know and trust.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jealous, or just plain Intolerable
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In article (\aliscafo/) writes:
>Remember context Melinda? I know *your* [sic] no lady. And clean your
>fingernails.
If you had asked I would have told you. I am not a lady.
I work. And that dirt under my fingernails is likely to be
anything from sawdust to garden soil to horse poop (no, not
our friend Hung - *real* horse poop).
If you think it's an insult to tell me that I'm not some
sort of fragile flower, you're very, very wrong.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Net.citizenship as ex
Date: 17 Mar 1994 14:41:24 GMT
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In article <9403170709362428@adusa.com> adonis.bbs@adusa.com (ADONIS BBS) writes:
>On a bbs users ARE notified mail may be reviewed. It is stated in the
>operational policy statements which they agree to upon registering.
Sorry, dear, but under the law you cannot sign away your
rights. That is to say, your users cannot sign away their
rights.
How big was your penis, again?
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: killfile help
Date: 17 Mar 1994 17:39:36 GMT
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In article <2ma3ti$g89@hpscit.sc.hp.com> mhr@hprc.atl.hp.com writes:
>How about "Melinda's Magic Moron Magnets"?
Swell. Cursed with an unwelcome talent.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: _POOF!_
Date: 17 Mar 1994 17:44:55 GMT
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In article <2ma3ep$2f9@wave.aoml.erl.gov> aberson@ocean.aoml.erl.gov writes:
>So there we have it, proof that he is reading private (PVT?) e-mail,
>an apparent violation of the law.
That moldy heap of unripe compost (28) admitted as much this
morning.
Remember, folks, even if you voluntarily enter into a
contract that violates your rights or requires one or more
parties to break the law, that contract is unenforceable.
You cannot sign away your rights.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: killfile help
Date: 17 Mar 1994 18:50:11 GMT
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In article <2ma67b$d3j@news.bu.edu> kane@bu-ast.bu.edu (Brian Kane) writes:
>Melinda Shore (shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu) wrote:
>: Swell. Cursed with an unwelcome talent.
>It probably comes from your brief posting style.
More likely, I think, is that people who have gender issues
(like \alifuckface/) or who are fundamentally misogynist
(like \alifuckface/) tend to have big problems with
outspoken, obnoxious women (like me!).
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: 17 Mar 1994 18:54:27 GMT
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In article <2ma86g$bln@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk> apoppitt@jungle.bt.co.uk (Alan Poppitt) writes:
>sneak, sneak, run, run *HUG* *squeeze* *tickle*
>- wow hugging a whole newsgroup, and on the first date!
You're certainly welcome here, but unless it's your
intention to have someone throw up on you the "hug
*tickle*" stuff should probably be reserved for soc.bi.
What's the situation with pay access systems with simple
user interfaces in the UK? Do you have anything like
America OnLine?
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Posting from Adonis
Date: 17 Mar 1994 19:47:06 GMT
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In article <1994Mar17.124821.1@uoft02.utoledo.edu> gsmith@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>Anybody want to explain again about how wonderful it is that this
>is happening? John "Inward Stroke" Stanley tells us that Adonis
>was the *best* of the four alternatives he tried. That really
>makes me feel great.
I continue to be really bothered by this, too. Jess has
written on several occasions that it's good not to be so
open-minded that your brain falls out, and I think that
in this case he might take heed of his own words.
The thing that's bothering me is that while these idiots
seem to like the technology, they don't like *us*. They
complain to our administrators, they complain to the net,
they complain to each other, and they blame us for
somehow not living up to their expectations.
Underlying this whole "I don't like you" thing that the
newbies are doing is an assumption that those of us who
post do so to entertain those who don't. That is simply
incorrect. None of us is under any obligation to say
something that some anonymous BBS user is going to find
pleasing. As a rather frequent poster, my obligations are
pretty much limited to respecting netiquette, not violating
the law or the acceptable use policies at the site from
which I post, and listening to the people I am ostensibly
trying to have a dialog with. The rest of you can either
join in under the same conditions or quit whining.
My recommendation, then, is that they take the technology
and create their own parallel Usenet. BBS users are almost
certainly likely to have more in common with people at
other BBSes than they are with those of us who have access
through our work or through school or with those who choose
to get their access through a system with a Unix shell
interface. They won't be bothered by each other's non-
compliant software, sloppy administration, or expectation
that there's some central authority who will read their
email and censor their posts. And neither will we.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Enough
Date: 17 Mar 1994 20:02:21 GMT
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In article <2machd$82u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> axb39@po.CWRU.Edu (Ann Burlingham) writes:
>-Ann, who can't decide if Melinda would be Lorne Greene, Little Joe, or
>just an independent lady rancher wooing the teacher lady
Depends. Who's the teacher lady?
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RRP fund fallout
Date: 17 Mar 1994 20:21:59 GMT
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In article <9403171953.AA07456@sleuth00.snfc430.PacBell.COM> rjwill6@snfc430.PacBell.COM (Rod J. Williams) writes:
>I'm holding out for a "Melinda's Magic Moron Magnet."
>Shirley it's worth at least $50 to a good cause...
I'd GIVE it away. But if someone wants to send $50 to the
NGLTF Fight the Right campaign, my moron magnet is theirs.
No kidding. I might even throw in a moron.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sierra software / rush limbaugh
Date: 17 Mar 1994 21:33:40 GMT
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In article mikep@sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
> Eventually, I think that one must conclude that deciding
> Limbaugh is a 'hate-filled homophobe' is merely
> speculation, and is more useful as an insult than as a
> reasoned description.
Sounds perfectly accurate to me, and if you're not convinced
that Limbaugh is filled with hate and is a homophobe (by any
reasonable definition of the word), then we're simply not
going to find a lot of common ground politically, you and I.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: America Online Bias
Date: 17 Mar 1994 22:38:59 GMT
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In article <2makmv$ab8@scratchy.reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Isn't it a bit creepy that the two people HUNG+ are going after are
>outspoken women?
You're kidding, right? Wasn't this obvious from the outset?
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: America Online Bias
Date: 18 Mar 1994 00:20:36 GMT
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In article <2maq9t$193@panix.com> glp@panix.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>Where is this Adonis thing located in real life?
Why? Gonna get Mary to fly test runs over that malignant
glob of rat phlegm's (27) house? Are test planes armed?
If not, can they be?
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Usenet vs. Internet (was Re: I had to pull my .sig quotation...)
Date: 18 Mar 1994 01:28:06 GMT
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In article <2mau1p$gel@scratchy.reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Oh, sorry about that - that's sort of prehistory to me :-) How much of
>the Internet was funded via ARPA/DARPA, and how much via NSF? Did it
>change over time? I've never had to deal with DoD policies on the
>Internet, just NSF.
What internet? What are you talking about, precisely?
DARPA funded the Arpanet and the development of tcp/ip. I
expect there are old BBN'ers around here who can talk more
about that. When the NSF set up the big national
supercomputer centers in the mid-80s, they also funded a
high-speed backbone connecting the centers. The Arpanet
shut down a short time later. I was fortunate (??) enough
to have the experience of being at probably the only site
with both a Fuzzball and an IMP. We got the IMP just as
the Arpanet was being put out of its misery. As it
happens, Hung (ack, ptui) happened to call the remains of
the old NSFnet NOC in a really witless attempt to get me
thrown off the net. And now, as you know, the NSF is
trying to get out of the backbone business and there
are parallel, private backbones.
So, when you talk about the specifics of "the internet,"
it's really necessary to be very clear about what it is
you're discussing. "The internet" is just that - a whole
bunch of networks.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.bi/motss acrimony
Date: 18 Mar 1994 01:28:57 GMT
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In article Rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>We're not hets, we're *faghags*
What! Just fags??
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Solutions to Adonis (was: _POOF!_)
Date: 18 Mar 1994 15:43:07 GMT
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In article <2mb7vr$q0p@nwfocus.wa.com> dwyman@halcyon.halcyon.com (Douglas J. Wyman) writes:
> Perhaps someone could find out what BBS software this Adonis
>system uses. We had a BBS up here in the NorthWest that was
>promoting homophobia and when someone checked it out, it was
>found that they had never licensed their BBS software. The
>authors of the BBS software when asked about the license
>indicated that not only was it not licensed but that they
>would seek to close the BBS and sue for back license fees.
I'm not sure that that's necessary. We know he's violated
the law on several other counts. On the other hand, if it
comes to that it might be fun to really heap the charges on.
I'm still very angry about this and I've been trying to
figure out a reasonable way to handle the situation. I've
seen several people comment that they're concerned about
getting into trouble with their institutions for things
they might post, and I find this threat hanging over the
newsgroup to be well-nigh intolerable. Threats seem to be
the only thing that Hung understands, however, and loathe
as I am to involve 'authorities,' the decision that I'm
coming to is that I am going to let Hung know that if I
hear from *one* person that Hung has harassed him/her or
contacted his/her admin or management, I *will* get in
touch with the FBI and let them know about Hung's
violations of the ECPA and his solicitation for sex on
Usenet.
And while it's really not my aim to have adusa.com lose its
feed, it is *completely* inappropriate for them to be
getting any usenet newsgroups and not be receiving the
entire news.* hierarchy. I intend to drop tom@gate.net a
line today and let him know that I don't think he should be
providing them a feed without those newsgroups. adusa.com
will simply have no chance to participate as a peer in the
net if they don't know what's going on, and they can't know
what's going on without those newsgroups. As it stands,
they're just a liability.
Does this sound reasonable?
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RRP fund fallout
Date: 18 Mar 1994 15:44:41 GMT
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In article hcm@netcom.com (Henry Mensch) writes:
>ditto. i haven't gotten any phone calls because i didn't provide a
>phone number and they can't get it any other way.
I didn't provide a phone number, either, and got a call
anyway. Not that I mind, myself, but I generally object a
*lot* to those kinds of calls and I can certainly understand
why people are annoyed.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: A Conversation With Cornell's VP for Research
Date: 18 Mar 1994 17:48:39 GMT
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I just got off the phone with Cornell's VP for Research,
Norm Scott. He wanted to let me know that he had talked
with Hung about my behavior on the net, and that Hung had
forwarded several of my postings to him. He felt that
the language I used reflected poorly on the university
and was not the sort of thing that We At Cornell do. So
to provide some context we talked about Hung's login-id,
Hung's initial foray into soc.motss, and Hung's unfortunate
technical booboo that caused Inward's mail to be dumped
to the net. I volunteered to put a big stinky disclaimer
on all my posts. He suggested that I might not want to
put a disclaimer on my technical posts, since they might
reflect well on the university, but I insisted that if
Cornell didn't want to be associated with the nasty
opinionated Melinda Shore, they didn't get to be associated
with the wizardly Melinda Shore, either.
Incidentally, the "BST incident" in question is that
someone from the USDA complained to his office about my
posts on the subject. Again, those posts contained no
abusive language and no inflammatory opinions. Scary,
huh?
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The opinions contained in this posting do not reflect the
views of the Cornell Theory Center or Cornell University
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clubbing in Ft.Worth
Date: 18 Mar 1994 17:52:49 GMT
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In article hansenr@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
>Um, Mike... it was Nivens, not Niven.
For that matter, it was Nylund, not Nyland.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: With all this CRAP ha
Date: 18 Mar 1994 17:55:59 GMT
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In article <9403180811472555@adusa.com> inward.stroke@adusa.com (INWARD STROKE) writes:
>ObCorrection: The problem occurred at Cybergate, not adusa.com
How do you know this? I'd *love* to see a description of
how this problem occurred. That way we can stop ragging on
poor Hung for technical incompetence and get back to the
more pressing question of the extent of his criminal
activities.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: That's it.
Date: 18 Mar 1994 18:44:53 GMT
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I've pretty much had it. This winter has been beyond awful,
from the damage to my house and barn to this nonsense that's
been going on on the net to a bunch of other stuff that's
really nobody's business but my own.
At any rate, the rewards from participating in soc.motss
are no longer worth the cost. I'm tired of abuse from
random thoughtless misogynist morons, I don't want to have
to deal with newbies who want to reshape usenet into yet
another bbs system, and I hate the thought that we're
starting to see involvement by authority figures who really
don't understand either the technology or the culture. The
best option for me, at this point, is to simply leave.
I'll probably be back some day, but right now I find myself
overwhelmed by circumstance.
I'd like to make it clear that this is entirely my idea,
and that any responsibility that lies with Hung has been
his contribution to my general annoyance level. My admins
have been completely supportive.
Also, right now I'm desperately backlogged in email, and
I apologize for how long it's taking to get back to everyone.
If you've sent email and haven't heard back please be
patient.
[Cloud of greasy smoke]
--
Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
The opinions contained in this posting do not reflect the
views of the Cornell Theory Center or Cornell University
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[thud]
Was that the sound of Jess's brains falling out? Jess, if
you don't know about computer law, privacy law, or speech
law, you probably shouldn't be offering advice.
>From the ECPA:
(2)(a)(i) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for an operator
of a switchboard, or an officer, employee, or agent of a provider of wire
or electronic communication service, whose facilities are used in the
transmission of a wire communication, to intercept, disclose, or use that
communication in the normal course of his employment while engaged in any
activity which is a necessary incident to the rendition of his service or
to the protection of the rights or property of the provider of that
service, except that a provider of wire communication service to the
public shall not utilize service observing or random monitoring except for
mechanical or service quality control checks.
Hung admitted that he does random monitoring to see whether
or not his BBS was being used in the commission of crimes,
that is to say, he was doing it without cause.
--
Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
The opinions contained in this posting do not reflect the
views of the Cornell Theory Center or Cornell University
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Subject: [soc.motss] With all this CRAP happening...
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From: donahue@cfassp23.harvard.edu (Bob Donahue)
Subject: With all this CRAP happening...
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 03:40:40 GMT
Look - this crap with *d*s*a.com has got me pissed.
Just a reminder that a passively or actively moderated group
*would* nip a lot of these problems.
As usual, I'd be willing to be one of the moderators.
BBC, who will soon
have his own private
access
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Bob Donahue wrote:
> Look - this crap with *d*s*a.com has got me pissed.
You're not alone. I've been fuming since Sylvia
told me last night what would be coming down.
> Just a reminder that a passively or actively moderated group
>*would* nip a lot of these problems.
>
> As usual, I'd be willing to be one of the moderators.
I used to be completely against the idea of moderating
soc.motss, but now I'm starting to think it would be
a great idea. We would have to have a clearly defined
list of no-no's -- personal ads, wannafucks, crosspostings
of any kind (well, *I* think so), blatantly homophobic
articles of the "fags eat shit" and "you fags are spreading
AIDS" kind, private e-mail that is mistakenly routed here
because some secondrate (10) BBS has lousy (5) software --
but at this point I'd be willing to live with it.
Arne
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