From warnold@eff.org Wed Aug 7 09:43:40 1991 Reply-To: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org Precedence: bulk To: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org Return-Path:Date: Mon, 5 Aug 91 21:47:32 -0400 From: warnold@eff.org (William W. Arnold) Subject: Computers and Academic Freedom mailing list (batch edition) Status: R Computers and Academic Freedom mailing list (batch edition) Mon Aug 5 21:45:14 EDT 1991 In this issue: SKAPUR@ccmail.SUny : Re: University Marketplace FFDMG%ALASKA.BITNE : Re: University Marketplace ara@zurich.ai.mit. : Fundamentalists vs. Academic Freedom marchany@vtserf.cc : Re: Authority of Public Universities TK0JUT1@MVS.CSO.NI : Re: Fundamentalists vs. Academic Freedom bkottmann@falcon.a : Re: Deprecating grad credit transfer as a restraint o The addresses for the list are now: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org - for contributions to the list or caf-talk@eff.org listserv@eff.org - for automated additions/deletions (send email with the line "help" for details.) caf-talk-request@eff.org - for administrivia ------------------- From: SKAPUR@ccmail.SUnysb.EDU (Sanjay Kapur) Message-ID: <59ED9CFB4EA0F65F@ccmail.sunysb.edu> Date: 4 Aug 91 00:34:00 GMT Subject: Re: University Marketplace > >I wish I shared his optimism that market forces operated so neatly and cleanly >in higher education. When is the last time you heard of a university shutting >down, let alone shutting down because bad policies discouraged students from >attending. The AAUP has been censuring universities for breaches in academic >freedom for a long time. I donm't remember any of them closing down. >(Although some of them have changed their policies as a result of AAUP's >efforts to discourage faculty from accepting employment contracts with those >institutions.) I never said that students are attracted to Universities with liberal policies. Some students may view too much academic freedom as a bad policy in as much as it frees the instructor from teaching what is in the course catalog. In my opinion bad universities should shut down. The only issue is what constitutes bad. Something that is automatically assumed by a large number of people is that academic freedom automatically leads to better education. Academic freedom is required for good research but too much academic freedom may lead to bad instruction. > >My experience is that students are attracted to universities that charge what >they can afford and that they look for the best quality within that price >bracket, assuming they have the wherewithal to leave their home town or state. >I've never know a student to pick a university because of its policies. They >do pick because of programs and quality of programs, but not because of >policies. Charging a reasonable tuition is the first element of the policy of any school. > >Dean Gottehrer >Anchorage, Alaska Sanjay Kapur |Internet: Sanjay.Kapur@sunysb.edu Systems Staff, Computing Services, |Bitnet: SKAPUR@USB State University of New York, |SPAN/HEPnet: 44132::SKAPUR Stony Brook, NY 11794-2400 |Phone:(516)632-8029, FAX:(516)632-8046 ------------------- From: FFDMG%ALASKA.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.EDU (Dean Gottehrer) Message-ID: <9108050251.AA18992@eff.org> Date: 4 Aug 91 09:48:26 GMT Subject: Re: University Marketplace On August 1, Sanjay Kapur wrote: Universities with bad policies will have no students left and will be forced to shut down. I responded that I wished I shared his optimism about market forces shutting universities down, but asked when was the last time you heard of a university shutting down, let alone shutting down because bad policies discouraged students from attending. Sanjay Kapur responded, in part: In my opinion bad universities should shut down. The only issue is what constitutes bad. I think Sanjay Kapur shifts the ground of our discussion here. First he said they will be forced to shut down, now he says in his opinion bad universities should shut down. While he takes issue with academic freedom as an attribute of a good university and a good education, he has not answered the basic question about market forces affecting universities by forcing them to close, except by shifting the ground to say well, they should. Again, I ask, when is the last time you heard of a university shutting down, let alone because bad policies, no matter how you define bad, discouraged students from attending? Finally, I have to take issue with Sanjay Kapur that too much academic freedom may lead to bad instruction. In fact, I would argue the exact opposite. The purpose of academic freedom for faculty is to prevent the firing of tenured faculty for teaching unpopular ideas in the classroom or for exploring unpopular ideas in their research. Sanjay Kapur acknowledges the need for academic freedom in research, but it is equally necessary in the classroom. If tenured faculty could be fired for unpopular ideas, that would have a chilling effect on what faculty would be willing to say. Ultimately it would lead to academic pablum in the classroom because that would not get faculty in trouble. Instruction would inevitably become worse. Certainly, tenure has allowed incompetents (even reserach incompetents) to have what amounts to lifetime jobs. The problem, however, is not the idea of academic freedom and the concept of tenure, but the way in which tenure is awarded. If the faculty are unwilling to weed out incompetents before they achieve tenure, then the system is not working the way it should. We shouldn't have to choose between academic freedom in the research lab or in the classroom. Both are important and prevent the politicization of the academy from becoming so blatant that faculty are fired for teaching or researching something that offends someone who could have them fired. Dean Gottehrer Anchorage, Alaska ------------------- From: ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) Message-ID: Date: 5 Aug 91 04:11:25 GMT Subject: Fundamentalists vs. Academic Freedom I have heard news reports for some time about how publishers of textbooks for public schools were shying away from topics such as evolution that might be the focus of disputes with fundamentalists at local schools. I was surprised to learn though that some universities are likewise intimidated by the fundamentalists. For example, a friend of mine was the object of complaints that he was teaching satanism when he lectured on the religions of India, a topic clearly pertinent to understanding its history. Apparently, such protests have reached high in the administrtaion and even to the state legislature in the state where my friend teaches. Apparently no one really wants to stand up to them and instead my friend is advised to try to go easy on the topics in question. I think it is useful to document and expose these activities on the part of the fundamentalists. I wouldlike to read some discussion of: (1) ways of going about this (2) one groups that are already documenting and exposing these activities (3) other incidents such as my friend experienced Allan Adler ara@zohar.ai.mit.edu Disclaimer: Assuming that it would make sense to say that an institution believes something, the opinions I have recorded here do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of MIT. ------------------- From: marchany@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Randy Marchany) Message-ID: <2072@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Date: 5 Aug 91 13:48:39 GMT References: <1991Jul30.202126.7529@eff.org> <1489@cameron.egr.duke.edu> Subject: Re: Authority of Public Universities In article <1489@cameron.egr.duke.edu> jpe@egr.duke.edu (John P. Eisenmenger) writes: > >It would be nice if this group could turn its discussion towards the creation >of a template for a thorough and fair computing policy. Any possibility of >this happening people? I'd be willing to throw out topics for comments, >editing, etc., but only if the discussion could be constructive and not >degenerate into a flame slugfest. > Ah, to come back from vacation and hear a voice of reason amid the same threads (the infamous "ohio state" thread and son-of-ohio-state, the "wayne state" thread...:-)) In answer to John's question, there is an OFFICIAL RFC out (RFC 1244) entitled "Site Security Handbook" by P. Holbrook and J. Reynolds that is a "first attempt at providing Internet users guidance on how to deal with security issues in the Internet. This handbook is meant to be a starting place for further research and should be viewed as a useful resource, but not the final authority." (quote from the description of the RFC). RFC are available via anonymous FTP from FTP.NISC.SRI.COM, NIS.NSF.NET or NISC.JVNC.NET. SRI also provides an automatic mail service for those site which cannot use FTP. Send a request to MAIL-SERVER@NISC.SRI.COM and place the RFC number in the subject field. EXAMPLE: send RFC1244. Multiple requests may be included in the same message. I think we should applaud the Site Security Policy Handbook Working Group of the IETF for their efforts in this area. The existence of this newsgroup is proof that sysadmins need some guidance. And now back to our currently running threads......:-) -Randy Marchany VA Tech Computing Center Blacksburg, VA 24060 "my opinions are my own" ------------------- From: TK0JUT1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU Message-ID: <9108052013.AA05753@eff.org> Date: 5 Aug 91 19:32:00 GMT Subject: Re: Fundamentalists vs. Academic Freedom A few of the recent assailants of "politically correct" thought (eg D'Souza, Kimball, Sykes, Bloom, et. al.) have attacked "cultural pluralism," deconstruction, and anything else that appears critical, historical, or out of their narrow view of what should be taught especially in the humanities. Each of these authors seems to think the the commiepinkolefties from the 1960s have taken over the universities as "deconstructionists" of the 1990s and are continuing their radical agenda as tenured profs and deans. PC-ers are under every bed, they seem to think, but their arguments, including Bloom who started it all) are reflect the adagae that the worse the logic, the more dramatic the conclusions. As one reviewer said, the persuasiveness of their arguments depend upon the ignorance of the audience. In the view of these authors, "critical thinking" is a threat to civilization. Jim Thomas ------------------- From: bkottmann@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Brett Kottmann) Date: 5 Aug 91 13:52:21 EST Message-ID: <1991Aug5.135221.319@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil> References: <5493@orbit.cts.com> <26367@well.sf.ca.us> <1991Jul29.080259.13108@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> Subject: Re: Deprecating grad credit transfer as a restraint o In article <1991Jul29.080259.13108@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG>, xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) writes: > nagle@well.sf.ca.us (John Nagle) writes: > >> I respect this person for putting his money where >> his mouth is, by withdrawing from the school over >> this issue. An effort by the school to collect >> from him could be interesting, since he's raising >> a breach of contract issue. I doubt that they will >> make a major effort to collect if it is made clear >> that they will have to justify their behavior in >> court. > Schools will almost always lose this kind of case, unless the student really does have no basis to make these claims. All of the rules and regulations they have written to attempt to tie down the student have also cocooned them into a corner when it comes to providing a specific service for the quarterly/semester tithe the student pays. > > Unfortunately, that option involves not just a > _little_ money for most folks, since university > graduate programs typically refuse to transfer in > more than six credits (two classes) of graduate > school credit toward a degree; this is monopolism at > its very worst, a vast conspiracy in restraint of > "trade"; and the result is that once you've put in a > little time toward an advanced degree, the > university has a pretty heavy mortal lock on your > billfold -- withdraw and lose most of those bought, >... I still opted to leave a certain university in Dayton, Ohio (not UD and not Sinclair :). I had every class finished and only the thesis to do, but it became clear that certain individuals would do everything in their power to keep me from actually getting the degree, or at least long enough to spend another four thousand dollars there. I have the transcipts with the grades though. My employers understand why it's not topped off with the piece of paper. > Were credits freely transferable, students could > shop for a better deal, and such abusive behavior > would quickly find itself without a target. > Yup. > My (only modestly paranoid) contention is that that > is _exactly_ the true reason for the limited > transferability of grad credits, not the BS about > "unable to easily evaluate other universities' > course content value" usually given. > > Comments? Nail. Head. Hammer. *bang* Brett =============================OFFICIAL=DISCLAIMER================================ The opinions and views expressed here are strictly my own and do not necessarily reflect the official position of either the U.S. Air Force or its contractors. =====================DO=NOT=REMOVE=TAG=UNDER=PENALTY=OF=LAW===:)================ From helen@eff.org Wed Aug 7 09:43:40 1991 Reply-To: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org Precedence: bulk To: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org Return-Path: From: helen@eff.org (Helen C. O'Boyle) Subject: Computers and Academic Freedom mailing list (batch edition) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 91 21:38:14 EDT Status: RO Computers and Academic Freedom mailing list (batch edition) Tue Aug 6 21:34:12 EDT 1991 In this issue: FBBIRNBA%CUTCV2.BI : Question re archives for this list helen@eff.org (Hel : Contents of comp-academic-freedom archives @ eff.org FBBIRNBA%CUTCV2.BI : Thanks for index info! The addresses for the list are now: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org - for contributions to the list or caf-talk@eff.org listserv@eff.org - for automated additions/deletions (send email with the line "help" for details.) caf-talk-request@eff.org - for administrivia ------------------- Date: 6 Aug 91 14:12:00 GMT From: FBBIRNBA%CUTCV2.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Freda B. Birnbaum, 678-3491) Message-ID: <9108061413.AA13902@eff.org> Subject: Question re archives for this list Distribution-File: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org Does anyone know 1) if there are archives to this list? 2) where and how to get them? (The HELP file from the listserv doesn't mention any REVIEW or GET sorts of commands.) +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Freda Birnbaum, Sr Prog/Analyst Teachers College, Columbia U. | | BITNET: JNET%"FBBIRNBAUM@CUTCV2" CCIMS, Box 43 | | 212-678-3491 (Eastern time) New York, NY 10027 USA | +------------- Call on God, but row away from the rocks --------------+ ------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1991 17:41:58 GMT From: helen@eff.org (Helen C. O'Boyle) Message-ID: <1991Aug6.174158.4108@eff.org> Subject: Contents of comp-academic-freedom archives @ eff.org Below is the file "academic/README" from eff.org, describing the current contents of the CAF Archive available for anonymous ftp on "eff.org". --------------------------- Cut here -------------------------------------- ================= README ----------------- Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) Archive This is an electronic library of information about computers and academic freedom. It is available via anonymous ftp to eff.org (192.88.144.3) in directory "academic". For more information, to make contributions, or to report typos contract Carl Kadie (kadie@eff.org). ================= batch ----------------- This is a directory of notes that have been sent over the comp-academic-freedom mailing list. Each file is a list of one week's notes (in batch form). Also, see "news". ================= batchin ----------------- This is a list of all notes that have been sent over the comp-academic-freedom mailing list. The notes are in the batch (digest) format. ================= caf ----------------- A discription to the comp-academic-freedom-talk mailing list. ================= ecpa.1986 ----------------- Portions of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 (ECPA) related to e-mail privacy. ================= eff.rights ----------------- An overview of the electronic frontier and the U.S Bill of Rights ================= email.privacy.essay ----------------- "Computer Electronic Mail and Privacy", an edited version of a law school seminar paper by Ruel T. Hernadex ================= jmcabstract ----------------- Professor John McCarthy lead the effort to restore "rec.humor.funny" at Stanford. In March of 1991, he travelled to the University of Waterloo, a place where "rec.humor.funny" was (and still is) banned. At Waterloo, he gave one talk on a new computer language and a second talk on "Network Publication and Free Expression". This is the abstract of that talk. (Also, see "stanford.statements") ================= k12.networks.survey ----------------- Results of a survey by EDUCOM and IBM on the status of computer networking in K12 education. ================= library.canada ----------------- Canadian Library Association Statement on Intellectual Freedom ================= library.porn ----------------- A parody of a real newpaper article published in the Houston Chronicle. The parody is by Carl Kadie. It was published in rec.humor.funny. ================= library.porn.real ----------------- A real newpaper article published in the Houston Chronicle. The parody is in file library.porn. ================= library.us ----------------- The "Freedom to Read Statement" of the American Library Association and Association of American Publishers. ================= library.us.excerpts ----------------- Excepts from the "Freedom to Read Statement" of the American Library Association and Association of American Publishers. ================= listserv.tar ----------------- Listserv code for Unix We got the code from UCSD. We improved it (mostly with modifications to the Makefile). Sadly, there is no real documention. ================= members.ps ----------------- A plot of the number of mailing list members over time. The plot shows the membership of each version of the list (talk, batch, and news). The plot goes from April 10, 1991 to June 7, 1991. On June 7th there were 300 mailing list members. (The newsgroup readership is unknown.) To see the plot, print the file on a postscript printer. ================= ncsa.email ----------------- The National Center for Supercomputer Applications (NCSA) is a department in the University of Illinois' Graduate College. On April 1, 1991 the NCSA set down a new e-mail policy. The policy was cleared by the University's legal counsel and the Graduate College. Faculty, students, and researchers, however, were not consulted. This note has three parts. The first is a critique of the policy. The critique concludes that the policy is inconsistant with the Consitution, Academic Freedom, and University policy. The second part of this notes is the text of the policy. The third part is notes from a conversation with an NCSA Administrator. [On of April 23, 1991 (14 hours after this information was distributed), the NCSA as decided to revise its policy.] ================= news ----------------- This is a directory of all issues of the Computers and Academic Freedom News. The special best-of-the-month issues are named with their month, for example, news/June. ================= newsin ----------------- This is a list of all issues of the Computers and Academic Freedom News. ================= nsf ----------------- The tentative statement by the National Science Foundation on acceptable use of the backbone networks. ================= ocf.bylaws ----------------- These are the bylaws of Berkeley's Open Computing Facility, an organization that democratically manages computer resources for thousands of users. ================= ocf.constitution ----------------- This is the Constitution of Berkeley's Open Computing Facility, an organization that democratically manages computer resources for thousands of users. ================= ohio-state ----------------- All the notes from CAF-talk related to Steven Brack and Ohio State. ================= reg2rights ----------------- The history of student regulations at the University of Illinois >from 1904 to present. Shows how policies evolve. ================= stanford.statements ----------------- "In 1989 rec.humor.funny was suppressed in some of the Stanford University computers. After a campaign it was re-installed in those computers." This file contains 1) the "Statement of Protest about the AIR Censorship of rec.humor.funny" 2) a statement by the Stanford faculty committee on libraries 3) Notes from Professor John McCarthy on how censorship was fought at Stanford (also see "jmcabstract") ================= student.freedoms ----------------- Joint Statement on Rights and Freedoms of Students -- This is the main statement on student academic freedom. ================= uiuc.code.excerpts ----------------- Excerpts from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign's Code on Campus Affairs and Regulations Applying to All Students (Aug. 1985) ================= widener ----------------- The computer polices of many schools. This is a directory of files. For a description of the file see file widener/Index. (The files are >from the Computer Underground Digest archives, available via anonymous ftp from ftp.cs.widener.edu.) ================= ================= Last update Thu Jul 11 16:59:35 EDT 1991 From kadie Fri Aug 9 13:36:18 1991 To: cafb-mail Subject: Computers and Academic Freedom mailing list (batch edition) Computers and Academic Freedom mailing list (batch edition) Fri Aug 9 13:35:21 EDT 1991 In this issue: marchany@vtserf.cc : Re: Authority of Public Universities TK0JUT1%MVS.CSO.NI : Re: Fundamentalists vs. Academic Freedom References: <1991Jul30.202126.7529@eff.org>, <1489@cameron.egr.duke.edu> Subject: Re: Authority of Public Universities In article <1489@cameron.egr.duke.edu> jpe@egr.duke.edu (John P. Eisenmenger) writes: > >It would be nice if this group could turn its discussion towards the creation >of a template for a thorough and fair computing policy. Any possibility of >this happening people? I'd be willing to throw out topics for comments, >editing, etc., but only if the discussion could be constructive and not >degenerate into a flame slugfest. > Ah, to come back from vacation and hear a voice of reason amid the same threads (the infamous "ohio state" thread and son-of-ohio-state, the "wayne state" thread...:-)) In answer to John's question, there is an OFFICIAL RFC out (RFC 1244) entitled "Site Security Handbook" by P. Holbrook and J. Reynolds that is a "first attempt at providing Internet users guidance on how to deal with security issues in the Internet. This handbook is meant to be a starting place for further research and should be viewed as a useful resource, but not the final authority." (quote from the description of the RFC). RFC are available via anonymous FTP from FTP.NISC.SRI.COM, NIS.NSF.NET or NISC.JVNC.NET. SRI also provides an automatic mail service for those site which cannot use FTP. Send a request to MAIL-SERVER@NISC.SRI.COM and place the RFC number in the subject field. EXAMPLE: send RFC1244. Multiple requests may be included in the same message. I think we should applaud the Site Security Policy Handbook Working Group of the IETF for their efforts in this area. The existence of this newsgroup is proof that sysadmins need some guidance. And now back to our currently running threads......:-) -Randy Marchany VA Tech Computing Center Blacksburg, VA 24060 "my opinions are my own" ------------------- Message-Id: <9108052013.AA05753@eff.org> From: TK0JUT1%MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU@UICVM.uic.edu Subject: Re: Fundamentalists vs. Academic Freedom A few of the recent assailants of "politically correct" thought (eg D'Souza, Kimball, Sykes, Bloom, et. al.) have attacked "cultural pluralism," deconstruction, and anything else that appears critical, historical, or out of their narrow view of what should be taught especially in the humanities. Each of these authors seems to think the the commiepinkolefties from the 1960s have taken over the universities as "deconstructionists" of the 1990s and are continuing their radical agenda as tenured profs and deans. PC-ers are under every bed, they seem to think, but their arguments, including Bloom who started it all) are reflect the adagae that the worse the logic, the more dramatic the conclusions. As one reviewer said, the persuasiveness of their arguments depend upon the ignorance of the audience. In the view of these authors, "critical thinking" is a threat to civilization. Jim Thomas ------------------- Message-Id: <9108061413.AA13902@eff.org> From: (Freda B. Birnbaum, 678-3491) Subject: Question re archives for this list Distribution-File: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org Does anyone know 1) if there are archives to this list? 2) where and how to get them? (The HELP file from the listserv doesn't mention any REVIEW or GET sorts of commands.) +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Freda Birnbaum, Sr Prog/Analyst Teachers College, Columbia U. | | BITNET: JNET%"FBBIRNBAUM@CUTCV2" CCIMS, Box 43 | | 212-678-3491 (Eastern time) New York, NY 10027 USA | +------------- Call on God, but row away from the rocks --------------+ ------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1991 17:41:58 GMT From: helen@eff.org (Helen C. O'Boyle) Message-Id: <1991Aug6.174158.4108@eff.org> Subject: Contents of comp-academic-freedom archives @ eff.org Below is the file "academic/README" from eff.org, describing the current contents of the CAF Archive available for anonymous ftp on "eff.org". --------------------------- Cut here -------------------------------------- ================= README ----------------- Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) Archive This is an electronic library of information about computers and academic freedom. It is available via anonymous ftp to eff.org (192.88.144.3) in directory "academic". For more information, to make contributions, or to report typos contract Carl Kadie (kadie@eff.org). ================= batch ----------------- This is a directory of notes that have been sent over the comp-academic-freedom mailing list. Each file is a list of one week's notes (in batch form). Also, see "news". ================= batchin ----------------- This is a list of all notes that have been sent over the comp-academic-freedom mailing list. The notes are in the batch (digest) format. ================= caf ----------------- A discription to the comp-academic-freedom-talk mailing list. ================= ecpa.1986 ----------------- Portions of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 (ECPA) related to e-mail privacy. ================= eff.rights ----------------- An overview of the electronic frontier and the U.S Bill of Rights ================= email.privacy.essay ----------------- "Computer Electronic Mail and Privacy", an edited version of a law school seminar paper by Ruel T. Hernadex ================= jmcabstract ----------------- Professor John McCarthy lead the effort to restore "rec.humor.funny" at Stanford. In March of 1991, he travelled to the University of Waterloo, a place where "rec.humor.funny" was (and still is) banned. At Waterloo, he gave one talk on a new computer language and a second talk on "Network Publication and Free Expression". This is the abstract of that talk. (Also, see "stanford.statements") ================= k12.networks.survey ----------------- Results of a survey by EDUCOM and IBM on the status of computer networking in K12 education. ================= library.canada ----------------- Canadian Library Association Statement on Intellectual Freedom ================= library.porn ----------------- A parody of a real newpaper article published in the Houston Chronicle. The parody is by Carl Kadie. It was published in rec.humor.funny. ================= library.porn.real ----------------- A real newpaper article published in the Houston Chronicle. The parody is in file library.porn. ================= library.us ----------------- The "Freedom to Read Statement" of the American Library Association and Association of American Publishers. ================= library.us.excerpts ----------------- Excepts from the "Freedom to Read Statement" of the American Library Association and Association of American Publishers. ================= listserv.tar ----------------- Listserv code for Unix We got the code from UCSD. We improved it (mostly with modifications to the Makefile). Sadly, there is no real documention. ================= members.ps ----------------- A plot of the number of mailing list members over time. The plot shows the membership of each version of the list (talk, batch, and news). The plot goes from April 10, 1991 to June 7, 1991. On June 7th there were 300 mailing list members. (The newsgroup readership is unknown.) To see the plot, print the file on a postscript printer. ================= ncsa.email ----------------- The National Center for Supercomputer Applications (NCSA) is a department in the University of Illinois' Graduate College. On April 1, 1991 the NCSA set down a new e-mail policy. The policy was cleared by the University's legal counsel and the Graduate College. Faculty, students, and researchers, however, were not consulted. This note has three parts. The first is a critique of the policy. The critique concludes that the policy is inconsistant with the Consitution, Academic Freedom, and University policy. The second part of this notes is the text of the policy. The third part is notes from a conversation with an NCSA Administrator. [On of April 23, 1991 (14 hours after this information was distributed), the NCSA as decided to revise its policy.] ================= news ----------------- This is a directory of all issues of the Computers and Academic Freedom News. The special best-of-the-month issues are named with their month, for example, news/June. ================= newsin ----------------- This is a list of all issues of the Computers and Academic Freedom News. ================= nsf ----------------- The tentative statement by the National Science Foundation on acceptable use of the backbone networks. ================= ocf.bylaws ----------------- These are the bylaws of Berkeley's Open Computing Facility, an organization that democratically manages computer resources for thousands of users. ================= ocf.constitution ----------------- This is the Constitution of Berkeley's Open Computing Facility, an organization that democratically manages computer resources for thousands of users. ================= ohio-state ----------------- All the notes from CAF-talk related to Steven Brack and Ohio State. ================= reg2rights ----------------- The history of student regulations at the University of Illinois from 1904 to present. Shows how policies evolve. ================= stanford.statements ----------------- "In 1989 rec.humor.funny was suppressed in some of the Stanford University computers. After a campaign it was re-installed in those computers." This file contains 1) the "Statement of Protest about the AIR Censorship of rec.humor.funny" 2) a statement by the Stanford faculty committee on libraries 3) Notes from Professor John McCarthy on how censorship was fought at Stanford (also see "jmcabstract") ================= student.freedoms ----------------- Joint Statement on Rights and Freedoms of Students -- This is the main statement on student academic freedom. ================= uiuc.code.excerpts ----------------- Excerpts from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign's Code on Campus Affairs and Regulations Applying to All Students (Aug. 1985) ================= widener ----------------- The computer polices of many schools. This is a directory of files. For a description of the file see file widener/Index. (The files are from the Computer Underground Digest archives, available via anonymous ftp from ftp.cs.widener.edu.) ================= ================= Last update Thu Jul 11 16:59:35 EDT 1991 ------------------- Message-Id: <9108061850.AA05151@eff.org> From: (Freda B. Birnbaum, 678-3491) Subject: Thanks for index info! Distribution-File: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org MANY THANKS for the information-filled mail re academic freedom archives! Freda Birnbaum aka FBBIRNBAUM@CUTCV2.BITNET ------------------- From: Mark W Wheatley Message-Id: <199108070504.AA23183@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> Subject: Re: Fundamentalists vs. Academic Freedom Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 0:04:38 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Not sure how to say this, but it's kinda nice to know that Oklahoma is not the only place with such narrow minded thinking and such. I am not saying such thinking is good, but at least (unfortunately) Oklahoma is not in the minority on this matter. -- * University of Oklahoma * Mark W. Wheatley * * Norman Campus * mwwheatl@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu * * BS in Computer Science May 1992 * CIS: 72417,3171 * * Member - Triangle Fratenity & ACM * "More drinking - less talking!" -JDT * ------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 16:31:31 GMT From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) Message-Id: <1991Aug7.163131.23490@eff.org> References: <1991Jul30.202126.7529@eff.org>, <1489@cameron.egr.duke.edu>, <2072@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Authority of Public Universities marchany@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Randy Marchany) writes: [...] >In answer to John's question, there is an OFFICIAL RFC out (RFC 1244) >entitled "Site Security Handbook" by P. Holbrook and J. Reynolds that is >a "first attempt at providing Internet users guidance on how to deal >with security issues in the Internet. This handbook is meant to be a >starting place for further research and should be viewed as a useful >resource, but not the final authority." (quote from the description >of the RFC). [...] The document is about 100 pages long. It is mostly about security (physical security, security audits, incident handling, etc). It is very general. It applies as much to a free student account at a university as to an internet connected machine at a military base. Here are some excerpts related to computer policy creation. [The full RFC (request for comment) is available via anonymous ftp from eff.org as file academic/rfc1244.txt.] - Carl -------------------------- [...] 2.1.2 Who Makes the Policy? Policy creation must be a joint effort by technical personnel, who understand the full ramifications of the proposed policy and the implementation of the policy, and by decision makers who have the power to enforce the policy. A policy which is neither implementable nor enforceable is useless. Since a computer security policy can affect everyone in an organization, it is worth taking some care to make sure you have the right level of authority in on the policy decisions. Though a particular group (such as a campus information services group) may have responsibility for enforcing a policy, an even higher group may have to support and approve the policy. [...] 2.3 Policy Issues There are a number of issues that must be addressed when developing a security policy. These are: 1. Who is allowed to use the resources? 2. What is the proper use of the resources? 3. Who is authorized to grant access and approve usage? 4. Who may have system administration privileges? 5. What are the user's rights and responsibilities? 6. What are the rights and responsibilities of the system administrator vs. those of the user? 7. What do you do with sensitive information? These issues will be discussed below. In addition you may wish to include a section in your policy concerning ethical use of computing resources. Parker, Swope and Baker [17, PARKER90] and Forester and Morrison [18, FORESTER] are two useful references that address ethical issues. 2.3.1 Who is Allowed to use the Resources? One step you must take in developing your security policy is defining who is allowed to use your system and services. The policy should explicitly state who is authorized to use what resources. 2.3.2 What is the Proper Use of the Resources? After determining who is allowed access to system resources it is necessary to provide guidelines for the acceptable use of the resources. You may have different guidelines for different types of users (i.e., students, faculty, external users). The policy should state what is acceptable use as well as unacceptable use. It should also include types of use that may be restricted. Define limits to access and authority. You will need to consider the level of access various users will have and what resources will be available or restricted to various groups of people. Your acceptable use policy should clearly state that individual users are responsible for their actions. Their responsibility exists regardless of the security mechanisms that are in place. It should be clearly stated that breaking into accounts or bypassing security is not permitted. The following points should be covered when developing an acceptable use policy: o Is breaking into accounts permitted? o Is cracking passwords permitted? o Is disrupting service permitted? o Should users assume that a file being world-readable grants them the authorization to read it? o Should users be permitted to modify files that are not their own even if they happen to have write permission? o Should users share accounts? The answer to most of these questions will be "no". You may wish to incorporate a statement in your policies concerning copyrighted and licensed software. Licensing agreements with vendors may require some sort of effort on your part to ensure that the license is not violated. In addition, you may wish to inform users that the copying of copyrighted software may be a violation of the copyright laws, and is not permitted. Specifically concerning copyrighted and/or licensed software, you may wish to include the following information: o Copyrighted and licensed software may not be duplicated unless it is explicitly stated that you may do so. o Methods of conveying information on the copyright/licensed status of software. o When in doubt, DON'T COPY. Your acceptable use policy is very important. A policy which does not clearly state what is not permitted may leave you unable to prove that a user violated policy. There are exception cases like tiger teams and users or administrators wishing for "licenses to hack" -- you may face the situation where users will want to "hack" on your services for security research purposes. You should develop a policy that will determine whether you will permit this type of research on your services and if so, what your guidelines for such research will be. Points you may wish to cover in this area: o Whether it is permitted at all. o What type of activity is permitted: breaking in, releasing worms, releasing viruses, etc.. o What type of controls must be in place to ensure that it does not get out of control (e.g., separate a segment of your network for these tests). o How you will protect other users from being victims of these activities, including external users and networks. o The process for obtaining permission to conduct these tests. In cases where you do permit these activities, you should isolate the portions of the network that are being tested from your main network. Worms and viruses should never be released on a live network. You may also wish to employ, contract, or otherwise solicit one or more people or organizations to evaluate the security of your services, of which may include "hacking". You may wish to provide for this in your policy. 2.3.3 Who Is Authorized to Grant Access and Approve Usage? Your policy should state who is authorized to grant access to your services. Further, it must be determined what type of access they are permitted to give. If you do not have control over who is granted access to your system, you will not have control over who is using your system. Controlling who has the authorization to grant access will also enable you to know who was or was not granting access if problems develop later. There are many schemes that can be developed to control the distribution of access to your services. The following are the factors that you must consider when determining who will distribute access to your services: o Will you be distributing access from a centralized point or at various points? You can have a centralized distribution point to a distributed system where various sites or departments independently authorize access. The trade off is between security and convenience. The more centralized, the easier to secure. o What methods will you use for creating accounts and terminating access? From a security standpoint, you need to examine the mechanism that you will be using to create accounts. In the least restrictive case, the people who are authorized to grant access would be able to go into the system directly and create an account by hand or through vendor supplied mechanisms. Generally, these mechanisms place a great deal of trust in the person running them, and the person running them usually has a large amount of privileges. If this is the choice you make, you need to select someone who is trustworthy to perform this task. The opposite solution is to have an integrated system that the people authorized to create accounts run, or the users themselves may actually run. Be aware that even in the restrictive case of having a mechanized facility to create accounts does not remove the potential for abuse. You should have specific procedures developed for the creation of accounts. These procedures should be well documented to prevent confusion and reduce mistakes. A security vulnerability in the account authorization process is not only possible through abuse, but is also possible if a mistake is made. Having clear and well documented procedure will help ensure that these mistakes won't happen. You should also be sure that the people who will be following these procedures understand them. The granting of access to users is one of the most vulnerable of times. You should ensure that the selection of an initial password cannot be easily guessed. You should avoid using an initial password that is a function of the username, is part of the user's name, or some algorithmically generated password that can easily be guessed. In addition, you should not permit users to continue to use the initial password indefinitely. If possible, you should force users to change the initial password the first time they login. Consider that some users may never even login, leaving their password vulnerable indefinitely. Some sites choose to disable accounts that have never been accessed, and force the owner to reauthorize opening the account. 2.3.4 Who May Have System Administration Privileges? One security decision that needs to be made very carefully is who will have access to system administrator privileges and passwords for your services. Obviously, the system administrators will need access, but inevitably other users will request special privileges. The policy should address this issue. Restricting privileges is one way to deal with threats from local users. The challenge is to balance restricting access to these to protect security with giving people who need these privileges access so that they can perform their tasks. One approach that can be taken is to grant only enough privilege to accomplish the necessary tasks. Additionally, people holding special privileges should be accountable to some authority and this should also be identified within the site's security policy. If the people you grant privileges to are not accountable, you run the risk of losing control of your system and will have difficulty managing a compromise in security. 2.3.5 What Are The Users' Rights and Responsibilities? The policy should incorporate a statement on the users' rights and responsibilities concerning the use of the site's computer systems and services. It should be clearly stated that users are responsible for understanding and respecting the security rules of the systems they are using. The following is a list of topics that you may wish to cover in this area of the policy: o What guidelines you have regarding resource consumption (whether users are restricted, and if so, what the restrictions are). o What might constitute abuse in terms of system performance. o Whether users are permitted to share accounts or let others use their accounts. o How "secret" users should keep their passwords. o How often users should change their passwords and any other password restrictions or requirements. o Whether you provide backups or expect the users to create their own. o Disclosure of information that may be proprietary. o Statement on Electronic Mail Privacy (Electronic Communications Privacy Act). o Your policy concerning controversial mail or postings to mailing lists or discussion groups (obscenity, harassment, etc.). o Policy on electronic communications: mail forging, etc. The Electronic Mail Association sponsored a white paper on the privacy of electronic mail in companies [4]. Their basic recommendation is that every site should have a policy on the protection of employee privacy. They also recommend that organizations establish privacy policies that deal with all media, rather than singling out electronic mail. They suggest five criteria for evaluating any policy: 1. Does the policy comply with law and with duties to third parties? 2. Does the policy unnecessarily compromise the interest of the employee, the employer or third parties? 3. Is the policy workable as a practical matter and likely to be enforced? 4. Does the policy deal appropriately with all different forms of communications and record keeping with the office? 5. Has the policy been announced in advance and agreed to by all concerned? 2.3.6 What Are The Rights and Responsibilities of System Administrators Versus Rights of Users There is a tradeoff between a user's right to absolute privacy and the need of system administrators to gather sufficient information to diagnose problems. There is also a distinction between a system administrator's need to gather information to diagnose problems and investigating security violations. The policy should specify to what degree system administrators can examine user files to diagnose problems or for other purposes, and what rights you grant to the users. You may also wish to make a statement concerning system administrators' obligation to maintaining the privacy of information viewed under these circumstances. A few questions that should be answered are: o Can an administrator monitor or read a user's files for any reason? o What are the liabilities? o Do network administrators have the right to examine network or host traffic? 2.3.7 What To Do With Sensitive Information Before granting users access to your services, you need to determine at what level you will provide for the security of data on your systems. By determining this, you are determining the level of sensitivity of data that users should store on your systems. You do not want users to store very sensitive information on a system that you are not going to secure very well. You need to tell users who might store sensitive information what services, if any, are appropriate for the storage of sensitive information. This part should include storing of data in different ways (disk, magnetic tape, file servers, etc.). Your policy in this area needs to be coordinated with the policy concerning the rights of system administrators versus users (see section 2.3.6). 2.4 What Happens When the Policy is Violated It is obvious that when any type of official policy is defined, be it related to computer security or not, it will eventually be broken. The violation may occur due to an individual's negligence, accidental mistake, having not been properly informed of the current policy, or not understanding the current policy. It is equally possible that an individual (or group of individuals) may knowingly perform an act that is in direct violation of the defined policy. When a policy violation has been detected, the immediate course of action should be pre-defined to ensure prompt and proper enforcement. An investigation should be performed to determine how and why the violation occurred. Then the appropriate corrective action should be executed. The type and severity of action taken varies depending on the type of violation that occurred. 2.4.1 Determining the Response to Policy Violations Violations to policy may be committed by a wide variety of users. Some may be local users and others may be from outside the local environment. Sites may find it helpful to define what it considers "insiders" and "outsiders" based upon administrative, legal or political boundaries. These boundaries imply what type of action must be taken to correct the offending party; from a written reprimand to pressing legal charges. So, not only do you need to define actions based on the type of violation, you also need to have a clearly defined series of actions based on the kind of user violating your computer security policy. This all seems rather complicated, but should be addressed long before it becomes necessary as the result of a violation. One point to remember about your policy is that proper education is your best defense. For the outsiders who are using your computer legally, it is your responsibility to verify that these individuals are aware of the policies that you have set forth. Having this proof may assist you in the future if legal action becomes necessary. As for users who are using your computer illegally, the problem is basically the same. What type of user violated the policy and how and why did they do it? Depending on the results of your investigation, you may just prefer to "plug" the hole in your computer security and chalk it up to experience. Or if a significant amount of loss was incurred, you may wish to take more drastic action. 2.4.2 What to do When Local Users Violate the Policy of a Remote Site In the event that a local user violates the security policy of a remote site, the local site should have a clearly defined set of administrative actions to take concerning that local user. The site should also be prepared to protect itself against possible actions by the remote site. These situations involve legal issues which should be addressed when forming the security policy. 2.4.3 Defining Contacts and Responsibilities to Outside Organizations The local security policy should include procedures for interaction with outside organizations. These include law enforcement agencies, other sites, external response team organizations (e.g., the CERT, CIAC) and various press agencies. The procedure should state who is authorized to make such contact and how it should be handled. Some questions to be answered include: o Who may talk to the press? o When do you contact law enforcement and investigative agencies? o If a connection is made from a remote site, is the system manager authorized to contact that site? o Can data be released? What kind? Detailed contact information should be readily available along with clearly defined procedures to follow. 2.4.4 What are the Responsibilities to our Neighbors and Other Internet Sites? The Security Policy Working Group within the IETF is working on a document entitled, "Policy Guidelines for the Secure Operation of the Internet" [23]. It addresses the issue that the Internet is a cooperative venture and that sites are expected to provide mutual security assistance. This should be addressed when developing a site's policy. The major issue to be determined is how much information should be released. This will vary from site to site according to the type of site (e.g., military, education, commercial) as well as the type of security violation that occurred. 2.4.5 Issues for Incident Handling Procedures Along with statements of policy, the document being prepared should include procedures for incident handling. This is covered in detail in the next chapter. There should be procedures available that cover all facets of policy violation. 2.5 Locking In or Out Whenever a site suffers an incident which may compromise computer security, the strategies for reacting may be influenced by two opposing pressures. If management fears that the site is sufficiently vulnerable, it may choose a "Protect and Proceed" strategy. This approach will have as its primary goal the protection and preservation of the site facilities and to provide for normalcy for its users as quickly as possible. Attempts will be made to actively interfere with the intruder's processes, prevent further access and begin immediate damage assessment and recovery. This process may involve shutting down the facilities, closing off access to the network, or other drastic measures. The drawback is that unless the intruder is identified directly, they may come back into the site via a different path, or may attack another site. The alternate approach, "Pursue and Prosecute", adopts the opposite philosophy and goals. The primary goal is to allow intruders to continue their activities at the site until the site can identify the responsible persons. This approach is endorsed by law enforcement agencies and prosecutors. The drawback is that the agencies cannot exempt a site from possible user lawsuits if damage is done to their systems and data. Prosecution is not the only outcome possible if the intruder is identified. If the culprit is an employee or a student, the organization may choose to take disciplinary actions. The computer security policy needs to spell out the choices and how they will be selected if an intruder is caught. Careful consideration must be made by site management regarding their approach to this issue before the problem occurs. The strategy adopted might depend upon each circumstance. Or there may be a global policy which mandates one approach in all circumstances. The pros and cons must be examined thoroughly and the users of the facilities must be made aware of the policy so that they understand their vulnerabilities no matter which approach is taken. The following are checklists to help a site determine which strategy to adopt: "Protect and Proceed" or "Pursue and Prosecute". Protect and Proceed 1. If assets are not well protected. 2. If continued penetration could result in great financial risk. 3. If the possibility or willingness to prosecute is not present. 4. If user base is unknown. 5. If users are unsophisticated and their work is vulnerable. 6. If the site is vulnerable to lawsuits from users, e.g., if their resources are undermined. Pursue and Prosecute 1. If assets and systems are well protected. 2. If good backups are available. 3. If the risk to the assets is outweighed by the disruption caused by the present and possibly future penetrations. 4. If this is a concentrated attack occurring with great frequency and intensity. 5. If the site has a natural attraction to intruders, and consequently regularly attracts intruders. 6. If the site is willing to incur the financial (or other) risk to assets by allowing the penetrator continue. 7. If intruder access can be controlled. 8. If the monitoring tools are sufficiently well-developed to make the pursuit worthwhile. 9. If the support staff is sufficiently clever and knowledgable about the operating system, related utilities, and systems to make the pursuit worthwhile. 10. If there is willingness on the part of management to prosecute. 11. If the system adminitrators know in general what kind of evidence would lead to prosecution. 12. If there is established contact with knowledgeable law enforcement. 13. If there is a site representative versed in the relevant legal issues. 14. If the site is prepared for possible legal action from its own users if their data or systems become compromised during the pursuit. 2.6 Interpreting the Policy It is important to define who will interpret the policy. This could be an individual or a committee. No matter how well written, the policy will require interpretation from time to time and this body would serve to review, interpret, and revise the policy as needed. 2.7 Publicizing the Policy Once the site security policy has been written and established, a vigorous process should be engaged to ensure that the policy statement is widely and thoroughly disseminated and discussed. A mailing of the policy should not be considered sufficient. A period for comments should be allowed before the policy becomes effective to ensure that all affected users have a chance to state their reactions and discuss any unforeseen ramifications. Ideally, the policy should strike a balance between protection and productivity. Meetings should be held to elicit these comments, and also to ensure that the policy is correctly understood. (Policy promulgators are not necessarily noted for their skill with the language.) These meetings should involve higher management as well as line employees. Security is a collective effort. In addition to the initial efforts to publicize the policy, it is essential for the site to maintain a continual awareness of its computer security policy. Current users may need periodic reminders New users should have the policy included as part of their site introduction packet. As a condition for using the site facilities, it may be advisable to have them sign a statement that they have read and understood the policy. Should any of these users require legal action for serious policy violations, this signed statement might prove to be a valuable aid. [...] 3.8 Communicating Security Policy Security policies, in order to be effective, must be communicated to both the users of the system and the system maintainers. This section describes what these people should be told, and how to tell them. 3.8.1 Educating the Users Users should be made aware of how the computer systems are expected to be used, and how to protect themselves from unauthorized users. 3.8.1.1 Proper Account/Workstation Use All users should be informed about what is considered the "proper" use of their account or workstation ("proper" use is discussed in section 2.3.2). This can most easily be done at the time a user receives their account, by giving them a policy statement. Proper use policies typically dictate things such as whether or not the account or workstation may be used for personal activities (such as checkbook balancing or letter writing), whether profit-making activities are allowed, whether game playing is permitted, and so on. These policy statements may also be used to summarize how the computer facility is licensed and what software licenses are held by the institution; for example, many universities have educational licenses which explicitly prohibit commercial uses of the system. A more complete list of items to consider when writing a policy statement is given in section 2.3. [...] [FORESTER] Forester, T., and P. Morrison, "Computer Ethics: Tales and Ethical Dilemmas in Computing", MIT Press, Cambridge, MA, 1990. (192 pages including index.) From the preface: "The aim of this book is two-fold: (1) to describe some of the problems created by society by computers, and (2) to show how these problems present ethical dilemmas for computers professionals and computer users. The problems created by computers arise, in turn, from two main sources: from hardware and software malfunctions and from misuse by human beings. We argue that computer systems by their very nature are insecure, unreliable, and unpredictable -- and that society has yet to come to terms with the consequences. We also seek to show how society has become newly vulnerable to human misuse of computers in the form of computer crime, software theft, hacking, the creation of viruses, invasions of privacy, and so on." The eight chapters include "Computer Crime", "Software Theft", "Hacking and Viruses", "Unreliable Computers", "The Invasion of Privacy", "AI and Expert Systems", and "Computerizing the Workplace." Includes extensive notes on sources and an index. [...] [PARKER90] Parker, D., Swope, S., and B. Baker, "Ethical Conflicts: Information and Computer Science, Technology and Business", QED Information Sciences, Inc., Wellesley, MA. (245 pages). -- Carl Kadie -- kadie@eff.org or kadie@cs.uiuc.edu I do not represent EFF; this is just me. ------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 14:45:35 -0400 From: kadie (Carl M. Kadie) Message-Id: <9108071845.AA26106@eff.org> Subject: FYI: Censorship From: jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph M. Newcomer) Subject: Censorship Message-ID: Date: 2 Aug 91 20:04:35 GMT Back in the old days, when CMU hired high school students to file output, we had to submit our jobs on punched cards with an 8-character job name, the first four of which were our userid. All my jobs were submitted as "JN11PHUQ". Several times the listings were filed with the job id circled in bright red. One day I went to pick up output and found only a note "to get your output, see the assistant director". The conversation went something like this: AD: "We confiscated your output" JN: "Why?" AD: "You had been warned repeatedly against using obscene job names, and you disregarded our warnings and persisted in doing it" JN: "What warnings?" AD: "We repeatedly circled the name in red to indicate that it was unacceptable" JN: "I assumed the person bursting the output circled the job name to make it easier for the filer to see" AD: "No, and if you persist in using obscene job names we will revoke your userid" JN: (You and what army?) "What obscene job name?" AD: "Right here: P-H-U-Q" JN: "What is obscene about that?" AD: "It spells "fuck"" JN: "You're being ridiculous. It is an acronym, from the Latin "Post Hoc Utque Quid", which translates approximately as "After this, then what?" AD: "That's not how I read it" JN: "You are threatening to terminate my account because you don't like the Latin acronym for my job name? Would you like to explain to Dr. Perlis why I can't get any research done?" AD: "Just don't do it any more" JN: "I promise that I will not submit any more jobs with obscene job names" (Right, turkey, and I never had) I continued to use that same job name for the rest of the year, until we ditched OS/360. Bureaucrat Baiting is my only blood sport. joe ------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 20:21:05 GMT From: helen@eff.org (Helen C. O'Boyle) Message-Id: <1991Aug7.202105.28513@eff.org> References: <9108071845.AA26106@eff.org> Subject: Re: FYI: Censorship In article <9108071845.AA26106@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes: >From: jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph M. Newcomer) >Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers >Subject: Censorship >Message-ID: >Date: 2 Aug 91 20:04:35 GMT > >Back in the old days, when CMU hired high school students to file >output, we had to submit our jobs on punched cards with an 8-character >job name, the first four of which were our userid. All my jobs were >submitted as "JN11PHUQ". > [...] >I continued to use that same job name for the rest of the year, until we >ditched OS/360. > >Bureaucrat Baiting is my only blood sport. > joe Yeah, that is an amusing anecdote! Say, I wonder how many schools generate "random" passwords then match each against a list to see if it is an "allowable" one (many four letter words are kicked out ;-). My undergrad school did this. Alas, it was only an exact match and not a soundex match. :-) My userid was "AB06O4A" and the assigned password was "IFUX". Now, all together, this comes out to an interesting statement, albeit one with poor grammar. Of course, I mentioned it (Baiting *can* be fun sometimes), and the appropriate people laughed it off, as if it were not a problem at all (though it did slightly annoy me). After all, "they didn't mean it," and "they couldn't easily prevent it". (A friend once told me that his solution for this is simply to make up strings consisting ONLY of consonants.) Seems to me that "license plate spelling" has the potential to cause all sorts of consternation -- job names, "finger" entries, even file names. The computer centers I know would not hesitate to zap students for standard four letter words in those places, but obfuscated spellings would be more difficult to disallow. I think it comes down to censoring words (easier to do...make a list) vs. censoring ideas (makes academics uncomfortable in general). As the poster above pointed out, there's always some other semi-plausible explanation for the acronym/abbreviation. Probably in many cases people _are_ just doing it to bait folks, in which case I case I question WHY these people did the baiting to begin with, but I also recognize that the best response is ignoring it. Sigh, when big issues are made out of these things, they really BECOME big issues. However, if folks see that such activities DON'T get them the attention they're looking for, they'll probably go on to something else (hopefully no more damaging) soon enough, and if it really WAS just a harmless coincidence, what purpose does it really serve to make an issue out of it anyway? -- * Helen C. O'Boyle * - isy5hob@cabell.vcu.edu POSTING FROM HERE BECAUSE GNU GUEST FILES WERE BLOWN AWAY TODAY :-( .... talk about people looking for attention..... Geeeeeeez! ------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 21:04:13 GMT From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) Message-Id: <1991Aug7.210413.29519@eff.org> Subject: re: Help Wanted I'm happy to report that I've "hired" two folks to help with the CAF mailing lists, archives, etc. They are Helen O'Boyle - a grad student at Virginia Commonwealth University (helen@eff.org) William "Billy" Arnold - an undergrad student at VCU (warnold@eff.org). Mail send to comp-academic-freedom-talk-request (or caf-talk-request) or listmaster@eff.org will be received by one of the three of us. Thanks to everyone who responded to my Help Wanted note. - Carl -- Carl Kadie -- kadie@eff.org or kadie@cs.uiuc.edu I do not represent EFF; this is just me. From comp-academic-freedom-talk-request@eff.org Thu Aug 15 02:55:32 1991 Received: from a.cs.uiuc.edu by herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu with SMTP (5.62+/IDA-1.2.8) id AA13706; Thu, 15 Aug 91 02:55:30 -0500 Received: from eff.org by a.cs.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21107 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.4 for kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu); Thu, 15 Aug 91 02:55:01 -0500 Received: by eff.org (5.61+++/Spike-2.0) id AA15011; Thu, 15 Aug 91 03:54:44 -0400 Reply-To: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org Precedence: bulk To: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org Return-Path: Received: by eff.org (5.61+++/Spike-2.0) id AA15006; Thu, 15 Aug 91 03:54:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 91 03:54:42 -0400 From: helen@eff.org (Helen C. O'Boyle) Message-Id: <9108150754.AA15006@eff.org> Subject: Computers and Academic Freedom mailing list (batch edition) Status: RO Computers and Academic Freedom mailing list (batch edition) Thu Aug 15 02:46:07 EDT 1991 In this issue: bsc835!ehunt@uunet : Public/Private institutions well!marcindc@appl : Computers and Academic Freedom (news version) 1.19 The addresses for the list are now: comp-academic-freedom-talk@eff.org - for contributions to the list or caf-talk@eff.org listserv@eff.org - for automated additions/deletions (send email with the line "help" for details.) caf-talk-request@eff.org - for administrivia ------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 91 23:55:43 CDT From: bsc835!ehunt@uunet.uu.net Message-Id: <9108110456.AA10689@relay1.UU.NET> Subject: Public/Private institutions There has been much discussion about the various resposnsibilites a *public* institution of higher learning has towards it's students. Many of those were documented in CAF News vol.1 Issue #19. My question is this: Do these same rules and precedents apply to private colleges as well? I attend a Methodist affiliated private college in Birmingham, AL, and am beginning to become unsure of my rights as a student in a private institution. While we are a very small college (1850 enrollmnt) and I've not had any problems whatsoever in these areas, I would feel better if I had the knowledge that I was "covered" under the same legal umbrella that the public schools are under. Please send cc:'s of your response to my email address, as our site does not get the alt. newgroup for this discussion, and I only subscribe to biweekly (or whatever) publication of CAF. -- Eric Hunt Birmingham-Southern College, Birmingham, AL "bsc835!ehunt@uunet.uu.net" ------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Aug 91 13:54:24 pdt From: well!marcindc@apple.com (Marc Rotenberg) Message-Id: <9108112054.AA06428@well.sf.ca.us> Subject: Re: Computers and Academic Freedom (news version) 1.19 Status: O - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Address Change: Please note the following change and update your mailing list: Marc Rotenberg, CPSR Washington Office rotenberg@washofc.cpsr.org - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -