Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 21:44:59 -0700
From: Jim Warren <jwarren@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject: GovAccess.085: debates; misteaks; MN e-democ; SF democ; free speech



VAE-KAE-SHION EXPECTED

I won't have you to kick around anymore - at least not for the next week or 
two ... if all goes well.  I have the delusion that ah'm takin' off for 
Puget Sound et al with a most-friendly friend.  I mean, actually *leaving* 
the keyboard! (Well, I *am* secreting a PowerBook an' a gigabyte drive under 
the maps and flannel shirts in case I need a fix on the road, but that hardly 
counts.)

They tell me this kind of behavior is called a vae-kae-shion - hope to learn 
how to spell it as well as perform it.

So anyway, all bets are off for timely email replies or further GovExcesses 
in the next week or two.  Maybe.  (And just as I was getting caught up.) --jim


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A GOPHER LIST OF CAMPAIGN DEBATE SCHEDULES
From: Jeff Chan <chan@shell.portal.com> Wed Oct 19 00:24:54 1994

[In a recent GovAccess, I echoed a query I'd received asking if anyone knew 
of online/timely lists of campaign debate schedules.  Jeff does.  --jim]

Actually one of the best distribution mechanisms for televised debates,
C-SPAN, has schedules available by gopher.  See my recent note below
to libernet@dartmouth.edu (a national libertarian mailing list, 
mailto://majordomo@dartmouth.edu).  Note that C-SPAN is 100% privately
funded by the cable companies.  If the government ran it, it would 
$&*& ^*&(*.
===
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:36:48 -0700
From: Jeff Chan <chan@shell.portal.com>
Subject: CSPAN Schedules are on line
To: libernet@Dartmouth.EDU

>From: Tom Isenberg <tomis@microsoft.com>
>Attention those of you who have access to CompuServe and America 
>Online, we need you to monitor the online C-SPAN schedule daily to 
>alert us of debate broadcasts that are likely to include Libertarians.  
>Sorry, I don't know the details on how to access it.

You don't need AOL to get CSPAN schedules.  They are available over 
tthe Internet using gopher.  Here's an entry from my firearms.faq
(there is a WWW version of faq; see .signature for faq access info)
===
>  c-span.org
>    C-SPAN schedules, logs, etc.  
>    
>C-SPAN (Cable-Satellite Public Affairs Network) broadcasts stuff 
>going on in the U.S. Congress.  It should be available over your 
>cable-TV network.  Schedules are updated daily.

So the WWW URL would be:  gopher://c-span.org
...
>     C-SPAN welcomes comments and suggestions from viewers.  To
>     ensure your mail gets read promptly, use the following
>     addresses from the Internet:
>
>     First choice (checked most often):
>     cspanviewr@aol.com
>
>     Also:
>     viewer@c-span.org
--
Jeff Chan
Internet: chan@shell.portal.com
uucp mail: {apple,claris,pyramid}!shell.portal.com!chan
(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted.)
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|           Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.          |
|                    -- Thomas Jefferson                        |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
WWW URL: http://www.portal.com/~chan/firearms.faq.html   <<< NEW!
ftp: ftp.shell.portal.com: pub/chan:  README, INDEX, firearms.faq
firearms, liberty mailing lists: majordomo@shell.portal.com: help


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MISTEAKS <sic> MADE; IMPURRRFECTIONS ILLUMINATED


1.  "PAULA" IS ACTUALLY PAMELA [SAMUELSON]

Senility strikes early:  It was *Pamela* Samuelson - not "Paula" Samuelson -
who wrote the NII critical critique ref'ed in earlier GovExcesses.  And she's
at the University of Pittsburgh Law School - probably in Pittsburgh.  --jim



2.  I MISREPRESENTED A SAMUELSON *SUPPORT* COMMENT

>From kr@shell.portal.com Wed Oct 19 01:31:42 1994 (Markus Krummenacker)
Jim, you put my remark under the label:
>AN OPPOSING VIEW ON SAMUELSON'S NII CRITIQUE
>From: kr@shell.portal.com  Sun Oct 16 18:30:34 1994

I believe this [caption] is not very accurate, as I actually did not intend to
critize Samuelson, but on the contrary wanted to strengthen the point of
HOW BAD the situation really is. :-)



3.  CLARIFICATION RE "TIMELY" USENET ACCESS TO GOVACCESS ACTION-ALERTS

In GovAccess.084, I noted:
> ... GovAccess is now being gatewayed onto the Usenet News group 
> comp.org.cpsr.talk by Al Whaley.  Very helpful! - but keep in mind that 
> it may not give your timely "action alerts" for highly-time-sensitive 
> legislative votes.  --jim

Well, *I* knew what I wanted to say; shame I didn't say it ... clearly:

If you switch from having GovAccess inflicted on you by email, to the 
convenience of perusing it when you wish in the CPSR-talk newsgroup (along 
with other CPSR traffic), you might or might not receive and notice its 
irregular action-alerts that are sometimes highly-time-sensitive, in time to 
take effective action.

*IF* you read the newsgroup as often as you read your email, then you'll get 
the alerts almost as fast as you would by email.

But, *IF* you dast give preference to your email more'n that ever-so-valuable 
newsgroup, they ya might not see an action alert until after action's useful.



My sincere apologies - to Pamela, kr, Al & my amazingly-patient readers. -jim


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MORE ABOUT THE MINNESOTA E-DEMOCRACY PROJECT
From: Steven L. Clift <clif0005@gold.tc.umn.edu> Fri, 14 Oct 94 19:24:33 -0500
To: mn-politics@MR.Net, mcowork@vm1.nodak.edu, metronet@vm1.nodak.edu,
    pubpol-l@vm1.spcs.umn.edu, ace-mg@esusda.gov

Campaign and Election Information on the Internet!

The Minnesota E-Democracy project invites you to explore our updated campaign 
and election information server on the Internet and to join our interactive 
election and public policy electronic mail forum.  This citizen organized 
project has combined the an interactive forum with retrievable election 
information.  This combination has been key to its success. It has built a 
foundation electronic citizen participation and discussion of important issues.

The new Twin Cities Free-Net is the host of the Internet server and the 
Minnesota Regional Network (MRNet) has donated the e-list facilities. 

The project has collected position papers from candidates for Governor and 
U.S. Senate, the voter registration and constitutional amendment information 
from the Secretary of State, candidate profiles from the StarTribune newspaper, 
and many other election oriented documents in electronic form.  In near future 
we will be adding the text of the voter guide produced by the Minnesota League 
of Women's Voters.  

This on-line effort was launched only a few weeks before the September primary 
election and is one of only a handful multi-candidate, state-level projects of 
it kind. The E-Democracy Internet server is filled with content and the 
Minnesota Politics and Public Policy E-mail Forum (MN-POLITICS) has around 300 
subscribers - close to three times more than any other state-based public 
affairs electronic mail list.  The forum is also archived on the server, so 
you need not subscribe to the list to follow the interesting debate.  

Project volunteers are now working to hold the first e-mail debate between 
candidates for the U.S. Senate and Governor in Minnesota.  If it can be pulled
off, it will probably be the first on-line e-debate between campaigns at that 
level. At a minimum side-by-side issue papers will be presented on a some key 
topics over the course of a few days for each race.
...
Steven Clift
Project Coordinator,
Minnesota E-Democracy 1994
E-Democracy@Free-Net.Mpls-StPaul.MN.US <- E-mail 
...
  Instructions on how to reach the Minnesota E-Democracy Internet Server  

World-Wide-Web: http://free-net.mpls-stpaul.mn.us:8000/govt/e-democracy/

Gopher: free-net.mpls-stpaul.mn.us, port 8001 
          Twin Cities Free-Net Main Menu/  (through these folders)
            The Government Center/
              The Minnesota E-Democracy Project/
...
Telnet: free-net.mpls-stpaul.mn.us - Login: guest - No password necessary.  
        20 minute time limit.  VT100 terminal emulation advised.


E-mail      Send the following e-mail message to
Retrieval:  "Majordomo@Free-Net.Mpls-StPaul.MN.US" with the following 
            text (case-sensitive) in the message body:  info E-Democracy
...
       Minnesota Politics and Public Policy Electronic-Mail Forum
...
MN-POLITICS@MR.NET

MN-POLITICS is an unmoderated Internet electronic-mail list for the sharing
of information on and discussion of Minnesota politics and public policy.
Members of this forum are encouraged to contribute campaign and election
information, announcements from Minnesota-focused political and civic
organizations, public policy and legislative information, and presentations
on issues of public interest.
...
E-mail users with Internet access can SUBSCRIBE by sending the
following command to:            Majordomo@MR.NET

In the text portion write*:            subscribe mn-politics

*WARNING:  Do NOT write anything after "mn-politics".  Majordomo does 
accept the inclusion of any text after the list name.  If text is included
(like your name) we will not be able to notify you of this error.

List Manager:  Mick Souder <MASOUDER@ALEX.STKATE.EDU>
...


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AND MORE! -- MINNESOTA E-DEMOCRACY PROJECT OFFERS A U.S. SENATE DEBATE
>From aikens@free-net.mpls-stpaul.mn.us Tue Oct 18 22:35:54 1994
From: aikens@free-net.mpls-stpaul.mn.us (G Scott Aikens)

The Independent Republican candidate, Rod Grams, and the Democratic Farmer
Labor candidate, Ann Wynia, have both agreed to participate.  The League of
Women Voters of Minnesota has endorsed and will possibly sponsor the
debate.  The Twin Cities Free-Net and the Minnesota Regional Network will
provide technical support.

[*Extensive* details deleted.  --jim]

  Instructions on how to reach the Minnesota E-Democracy Internet Server

World-Wide-Web: http://free-net.mpls-stpaul.mn.us:8000/govt/e-democracy/

Gopher: free-net.mpls-stpaul.mn.us, port 8001
          Twin Cities Free-Net Main Menu/  (through these folders)
            The Government Center/
              The Minnesota E-Democracy Project/

      *The server is also listed on the "Mother" Gopher at the University
       of Minnesota (gopher.tc.umn.edu) via the following path:
       /Other Gopher and Information Servers/North America/USA/Minnesota/

Telnet: free-net.mpls-stpaul.mn.us - Login: guest - No password necessary.
        20 minute time limit.  VT100 terminal emulation advised.


E-mail      Send the following e-mail message to
Retrieval:  "Majordomo@Free-Net.Mpls-StPaul.MN.US" with the following
            text (case-sensitive) in the message body:  info E-Democracy

Thank you for participating in Minnesota E-Democracy 1994. Please send your
comments or questions to us at: E-Democracy@Free-Net.Mpls-StPaul.MN.US


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ENHANCE DEMOCRACY IN SAN FRANCISCO - A NOV. 1st MEETING
>Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 17:18:42 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Genie Stowers <gstowers@mercury>
> 
>     Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility and SFSUNet,
>a San Francisco State University-based computer conferencing group,
>will be hosting a joint meeting on "Can On-Line Communication
>Enhance Democracy in San Francisco" on Tuesday, November 1 at 7:00
>p.m. at San Francisco State University's Downtown Center (425
>Market Street @ Fremont;  exit at Embarcadero Station from BART). 
>The meeting room is on the second floor.   
> 
>     Since usage of computer networks and the Internet has exploded
>in recent months and years, this meeting  will feature an open
>discussion of the potential for democratizing computer networks.  
>What is the potential for open and meaningful participation by
>citizens on computer networks?   Can the freenet or community
>network model help to enhance democratic participation?     How can
>those systems be designed so as to achieve goals of enhancing
>democratic participation?
> 
>     In addition, an update of the status of the San Francisco
>community network project will be provided.
> 
>     For more information, contact pbourne@vax1.sfsu.edu (415-474-
>0212) or gstowers@mercury.sfsu.edu (510-891-9013).
>
Chris Mays                                        cmays@mercury.sfsu.edu


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LIST FOR FREE SPEECH DISCUSSIONS (WHEN ALLOWED :-)
From: joe@sugar.neosoft.com (Joe Abernathy)

>Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 08:33:18 -0400
>From: Stephen Smith <libertas@comp.uark.edu>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <roundtable@cni.org>
>Subject: New list for free speech discussion
>
>        The American Communication Association invites subscriptions to
>its on-line discussion group for Free Speech Issues.  The topics include
>current and historical issues in freedom of expression, reviews of recent
>books and articles related to free speech, constitutional interpretation,
>research opportunities, current litigation, communication policy, privacy,
>censorship, and other areas relating to freedom of expression, both in
>the United States and elsewhere.
>
>        To join the list and participate, send an e-mail message to
>Listserv@uafsysb.uark.edu, leave the subject line blank, and the message
>to read only: sub AMEND1-L your name (e.g. sub AMEND1-L Bill Douglas).
>
>Stephen Smith
><libertas@comp.uark.edu>
>


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